Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[samhocking]

Said relationship with UCI and TUE got them less success though than when they had neither? TUE pretty common although other riders actually do better than Sky it seems looking at the number of wins.

 

[Netserk]

Bruyneel had luck just like Brailsford. The key being a friendly relationship with the UCI and Dr TUE. You make your own luck. Bruyneel won a lot of races with his team. It wasn’t all Lance. USPS was a fairly awesome outfit results wise. Heras won the Vuelta twice with USPS (or was it three?). Contador a Tour, a Giro and a Vuelta with Bruyneel.

Bruyneel sadly never won the atomic jock race though... the one that got away...

And the Giro in '05 too.

 

[sniper]

Team Sky should thank their lucky stars CIRC and the new "association with dodgy characters" rules were not in play back in the glorious Leinder days and are not retrospective.

good point.

 

[thehog]

Said relationship with UCI and TUE got them less success though than when they had neither? TUE pretty common although other riders actually do better than Sky it seems looking at the number of wins.

Froome won the race that he received the TUE. By a long way. Even though he was sick... or you forgot that point?

Sadly TUEs don't fix broken wrists

 

[thehog]

And the Giro in '05 too.

Right you are! A few bags of luck in that race

 

[samhocking]

Froome won the race that he received the TUE. By a long way. Even though he was sick... or you forgot that point?

Sadly TUEs don't fix broken wrists

Riders are allowed to win races with a TUE with or without a relationship with UCI, what is your point? Those are the rules, not Sky's!

And how did Sky get Cookson in to have this 'relaltionship'? I see no evidence of brown paper envelopes to all 42 delegates in that race!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Should have clarified - his road luck. You think Lance could not have won without JB?

I'll agree that Sir Dave has been lucky on the road. Whilst one may question the means by which the Tour wins were achieved, to set up a team and then have Wiggins materialise as a potential Tour winner was lucky.

Re Lance, I think (educated guess) he would have won his Tours post-cancer with Kermit the Frog as his DS. There's any number of folk could have played the ruthless JB role, but there was only one cancer survivor untainted by Festina (and thus the UCI's ideal posterboy) with the physiology + PED response and willingness to experiment to win the Tour.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'll agree that Sir Dave has been lucky on the road. Whilst one may question the means by which the Tour wins were achieved, to set up a team and then have Wiggins materialise as a potential Tour winner was lucky.

Re Lance, I think (educated guess) he would have won his Tours post-cancer with Kermit the Frog as his DS. There's any number of folk could have played the ruthless JB role, but there was only one cancer survivor untainted by Festina (and thus the UCI's ideal posterboy) with the physiology + PED response and willingness to experiment to win the Tour.

Kermit eh? Nice choice

 

[the sceptic]

Riders are allowed to win races with a TUE with or without a relationship with UCI, what is your point? Those are the rules, not Sky's!

And how did Sky get Cookson in to have this 'relaltionship'? I see no evidence of brown paper envelopes to all 42 delegates in that race!

Glad to see it didn't take you long to find another account to troll from.

 

[samhocking]

What are you talking about?

 

[ebandit]

genius

if we are to either aknowledge or mock the idea that DB is really genius

the question must be asked has any other DS created 2 such unlikely

tour winners as wiggo'froome?

you could make me DS and i could potentially steer bertie to a win

Mark L

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Take Dertie off his program and see how far you get with him.

A DS is only as good as the programme he is able to organize.

 

[blackcat]

Karl Marx says hi.

and it was either Orwell or Twain who tweaked that aphorism a little.

rhymes not repeats

 

[TheSpud]

Back on topic.

Brailsford makes zero sense. Do people in Britain actually buy what comes out of his mouth?

I dont see what is unbelievable about what was said in the paragraph you quoted.


Quote:
Brailsford acknowledged that Sky’s marginal gains have been adopted by other teams and that those teams have caught up with the British outfit. quite possible, whatever these so called gains are

“Our challenge is to stay ahead of the game." sounds truthful / believable

"We spent some time thinking about what it is that we in the backroom staff actually enjoy as a group." no reason to doubt this

"After a lot of discussion, we came back to the idea that we love that process of development and continuous improvement." probably true

"Winning is the outcome but it is striving for that outcome that really motivates us.” again a perfectly reasonable statement

There's no reason why those statements arent talking about their internal doping program. Then again they may not be.

 

[ebandit]

1...............2

A DS is only as good as the programme he is able to organize.

once maybe? but 2 different equally unlikely riders..............is such unparalleled success other than ..............genius?

Mark L

 

[ray j willings]

Brailsford is like Madonna, He does not have much talent, he just gets the right people around him.

 

[thehog]

There's no reason why those statements arent talking about their internal doping program. Then again they may not be.

Who said anything about doping?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

once maybe? but 2 different equally unlikely riders..............is such unparalleled success other than ..............genius?

Mark L

At what point did the Uniballer show any signs of winning a GT before signing up to the Hog program?

Hog won GTs with riders as diverse as Heras, Uniballer, Savodelli, Dertie Cont, got the likes of Bottle on the podium.

Or what about Cyrille Guimard who won the TDF with Bernard Hinault, Laurent Fignon and Lucien Van Impe?

Your point is what? he's done the same that other DS's have done. Be careful to avoid matches around that strawman of yours or he'll go up as easily your argument.

FFS if you are going to troll at least do it properly

 

[Berzin]

Please stop with the trolling accusations.

Report the post and let the mods handle it.

 

[thehog]

Brailsford is like Madonna, He does not have much talent, he just gets the right people around him.

I get the sense he just says anything but some of what he states is to pre-empt what’s to come.

For example:

At some point in time, people have to accept that performances are going to move forward. If we always hold back, and say, here is some data from people who were doping, then if we draw a line, we can then deduce that anyone crossing that line must also be doping. Well, that’s false. They do not have to be doping, because the whole human race moves forward. At some point in time, clean performances will surpass the doped performances in the past

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

A spade is a spade. Good to see the mods are as ridiculous as ever.

 

[Granville57]

if we are to either aknowledge or mock the idea that DB is really genius

the question must be asked has any other DS created 2 such unlikely

tour winners as wiggo'froome?

Hmmm. Why do you describe them as "unlikely"?



I can't wait for this.

 

[Tournesol]

Brailsford and his "continuous improvement" rubbish,meh,so 1990's management speak,all that Japanese LEAN ******** that big companies adopted then ditched pronto when they realised how flawed it was.

Who listens to this guy?

 

[Granville57]

Well the French haven't hated us for centuries....

Just wait until Porte wins Le Tour.

 

[ebandit]

tough!

FFS if you are going to troll at least do it properly

don't like debate?...................tough!

my point stands 2 'unlikely' winners of the tdf .............brit winners too

a nation with no previous wins

Mark L