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David Millar Velocitynation

http://velocitynation.com/content/interviews/2009/david-millar-interview

It was EPO, right?

Millar Yeah.

schmalz And what was the effect of it? I don't think it's like you inject something and suddenly you're like Popeye...

Millar You wouldn't notice it unless you were a high level athlete, an elite athlete. And if you're an elite athlete, it makes a big difference.

schmalz And then in training it was a big difference?

Millar All you do is, all that happens is, let's say you're riding up the climb and breathing really hard. - Iit really hurts. Once you do EPO, same sensation: I – it really hurts, but you can keep going. You keep going. A five k climb, where you're like "It really hurts!" I, it still really hurts when you're on EPO, but you get ten ks. And then you can recover immediately, boom, do it again the next climb. It sustains your maximal effort.
 
Rise Of The Dead said:
Leave the man alone... Poor sod placed 55th honked up to the eyeballs at the '03 TDF. EPO works then...

Are you going for as many posts as login names?

So you don't believe it when a person says it works, even when they win stages with it? And it would be in their interests to say it doesn't work. He's telling lies and it didn't help him with his stage wins and World championship win.
 
Rise Of The Dead said:
Leave the man alone... Poor sod placed 55th honked up to the eyeballs at the '03 TDF. EPO works then...

Aren't you taking a vacation soon so my poor ignore list can recover a bit? No need to answer by the way, I won't be reading any more of your posts until you create your next login.
 
If you remember he placed very highly at the Dauphine, then fell ill during the first week of the Tour so could not climb with the leaders hence he lost a load of time and set himself up for the win in the ITT from Pornic to Nantes by taking it a bit easier over the Alps and Pyrenees. So his 55th was a false position really considering the EPO use.

Just so you all know, i'm a big fan of Millar and have been since he first started racing, and was disappointed with his EPO use, but am pleased he know attempts to educate people to not do PED's.
 
thanks for the link- Very entertaining & informal way to approach a serious matter like doping-but I'm glad David has come full circle & he can even do some mockery of it afterwards.
P.S. I hope some imbecile troll out there gets informed once for all about how EPO DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE
 
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Epicycle said:
EPO works for any level athlete. That's why they give it to sedentary grandmothers with anemia.

Yeah, its true, EPO makes a massive difference.

Go ask Mr Millar what it did for him, doped over clean riders, in Tour history. I'll stay clean & improve my chances of winning the Tour as opposed to being doped & placed at the back of the pack taking a drug that doesn't increase your chances of success or improve performance of any cyclist from the moment they start taking it, or history would have demonstrated.
 
Rise Of The Dead said:
Yeah, its true, EPO makes a massive difference.

Go ask Mr Millar what it did for him, doped over clean riders, in Tour history. I'll stay clean & improve my chances of winning the Tour as opposed to being doped & placed at the back of the pack taking a drug that doesn't increase your chances of success or improve performance of any cyclist from the moment they start taking it, or history would have demonstrated.

So he's telling lies about its benefits.
And he didn't win the TT stages or the Worlds while taking EPO.
 
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If you remember he placed very highly at the Dauphine, then fell ill during the first week of the Tour so could not climb with the leaders hence he lost a load of time and set himself up for the win in the ITT from Pornic to Nantes by taking it a bit easier over the Alps and Pyrenees. So his 55th was a false position really considering the EPO use.

Just so you all know, i'm a big fan of Millar and have been since he first started racing, and was disappointed with his EPO use, but am pleased he know attempts to educate people to not do PED's.

+1

what i will say regarding Dave, and his results pre-epo and post epo.. I dont think hes been that much of a worse rider since he came clean, which leads me to believe he wasnt using that much or getting much benefit..

His results have suffered since being banned down to three things, 1) cancellara - who has pretty much destroyed every decent time trialler, 2) incredible bad luck - chains breaking, bikes breaking, rain during his tt, etc etc

and 3) i cant remember where i read this recently, but lets take for instance barcelona, where he came so close to winning. Would he have won the stage if he hadnt broken the omerta. I think it was mentioned in an interview recently, that if a garmin rider is in the breakaway, the pelaton dont pay too much attention, as soon as it comes over the radio it is Miller, the pace increases and its shut down...

That is to me why he isnt winning as many races, naff all to do with EPO..
 
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He won a long TT. So yes you're right. That tells me all I need to know.

You're admitting that he's telling the truth. Good.

Do you know what would have been really funny.

Hi Guys, Here are the benefits I experienced with my eyeballs swimming in EPO;

2000 TDF: 62nd Place
2001 TDF: Abandoned after Stage 10
2002 TDF: 68th Place
2003 TDF: 55th Place

Now, I'm not actually having a go at David for not trying his best & giving his all, he did his best & I wouldn't fair no better (I'm not a pro cyclist). I'm not even dissapointed about him being caught. Cancellara & Armstrong, they have pioneered the sport through natural means & methods. I wish Millar could have stood back for 2 seconds & looked at the bigger picture. Millar didn't need EPO, he had great potential & could have stood up there with Armstrong but he chose to screw himself instead.
 
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Does epo really make that much of a difference over a 50k time trial.. personally i dont even think he was on epo that long anyway.

unlikely.. and actually i think dave is a better rider now than he was then, his support of brad in the hills this year was excellent, he gave everything..

his bad/lack of results are more down to bad luck, and breaking the omerta
 
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Does epo really make that much of a difference over a 50k time trial.. personally i dont even think he was on epo that long anyway.

unlikely.. and actually i think dave is a better rider now than he was then, his support of brad in the hills this year was excellent, he gave everything..

his bad/lack of results are more down to bad luck, and breaking the omerta

Actually Dim, I've gotta disagree with you there. It appears that EPO would be most dramatic over the longer distance. The way Miller put it was something to the effect of riding your 5 km climb pace for 10 km, and recovering better. So if you can hold your 20-30 km TT pace for 50, you're gonna be rocking.

From everything I've read on Miller, he likely is a better rider now and takes it a lot more seriously. I recall an interview where he said he did not take the sport as seriously before his ban. I'll see if I can find this interview later this weekend.
 
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From everything I've read on Miller, he likely is a better rider now and takes it a lot more seriously. I recall an interview where he said he did not take the sport as seriously before his ban. I'll see if I can find this interview later this weekend.

I think his comment about " a garmin rider in the break and they dont chase, it comes over the radio its me and the tempo ups" says it all..

it was in i think, an 15 minute interview on a podcast but i cant remember where..