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dimspace said:
Does epo really make that much of a difference over a 50k time trial.. personally i dont even think he was on epo that long anyway.

unlikely.. and actually i think dave is a better rider now than he was then, his support of brad in the hills this year was excellent, he gave everything..

his bad/lack of results are more down to bad luck, and breaking the omerta

He admitted to being on EPO for the 03 TT he won.
 
Rise Of The Dead said:
Do you know what would have been really funny.

Hi Guys, Here are the benefits I experienced with my eyeballs swimming in EPO;

2000 TDF: 62nd Place
2001 TDF: Abandoned after Stage 10
2002 TDF: 68th Place
2003 TDF: 55th Place

Now, I'm not actually having a go at David for not trying his best & giving his all, he did his best & I wouldn't fair no better (I'm not a pro cyclist). I'm not even dissapointed about him being caught. Cancellara & Armstrong, they have pioneered the sport through natural means & methods. I wish Millar could have stood back for 2 seconds & looked at the bigger picture. Millar didn't need EPO, he had great potential & could have stood up there with Armstrong but he chose to screw himself instead.

Double negative, so you're saying you would do better. You're so cocky.

So he lied about its benefits....Strange for a guy who is pioneering a clean sport. He admits it helped him in his stage victories and when he won the Wolrds, a point you dismiss.
 
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Rise Of The Dead said:
Do you know what would have been really funny.

Hi Guys, Here are the benefits I experienced with my eyeballs swimming in EPO;

2000 TDF: 62nd Place
2001 TDF: Abandoned after Stage 10
2002 TDF: 68th Place
2003 TDF: 55th Place

Now, I'm not actually having a go at David for not trying his best & giving his all, he did his best & I wouldn't fair no better (I'm not a pro cyclist). I'm not even dissapointed about him being caught. Cancellara & Armstrong, they have pioneered the sport through natural means & methods. I wish Millar could have stood back for 2 seconds & looked at the bigger picture. Millar didn't need EPO, he had great potential & could have stood up there with Armstrong but he chose to screw himself instead.

I can't refrain any longer.

ROTD, if you had 2 brains you would be twice as stupid.
 
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Rise Of The Dead said:
Millar was already an accomplished/world class time trialist at the time.

Did Millar see a continuation of success in the Tours & classics with his eyeballs swimming???...

Yes

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Rise Of The Dead said:
2000 TDF: 62nd Place
2001 TDF: Abandoned after Stage 10
2002 TDF: 68th Place
2003 TDF: 55th Place

NO!

You do know there is more to the sport then GC at the Tour?

1st Mountains Classification, Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana
2000
1st Stage 1, Tour de France
1st Stage 1B, Route du Sud
1st Youth classification, Circuit de la Sarthe
2001
1st Stage 1 Vuelta a España
1st Stage 6 Vuelta a España
1st Overall Danmark Rundt
1st Stage 5
1st Youth Classification
1st Overall Circuit de la Sarthe
1st Stage 4
1st Stage 5
1st Youth Classification
1st Stage 4B, Bicicleta Vaca
2002
1st Stage 13, Tour de France
2003
1st Stage 19, Tour de France[n 11][2]
1st Tour de Picardie
1st Stage 1 Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen
1st Stage 4 Vuelta Ciclista a Burgos
1st Stage 17 Vuelta a España
 

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EPO is a shortcut on the road to FAIL.

EPO makes you faster on the road to FAIL.

All the EPO in China would not put Milar on the Final TdF Podium in Yellow.

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David Millar's results post-EPO are way more impressive:)
Too bad he made mistakes when he was younger....

2006
1st Individual pursuit, British National Track Championships
1st Stage 14, Vuelta a España
2007
1st British National Road Race Championships
1st British National Time Trial Championships
1st Prologue, Paris-Nice
2008
1st Stage 1 TTT Giro d'Italia
2nd Overall Tour of California
2009
1st Stage 20 Vuelta a España
1st Edinburgh Nocturne
Combativity award Stage 6, Tour de France
 
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And like i say, his breakaways get chased down more often now for breaking the omerta..

Hes not had a time trial win because of a certain cancellara

And hes had pretty bad luck

Hes also had different priorities as well, not being the leader of the team, brad being the better tt'er this year, etc etc, his role has completely changed.
 
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Polish said:
EPO is a shortcut on the road to FAIL.

EPO makes you faster on the road to FAIL.


This guy would disagree.

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BTW You need to keep your usernames straight. Part of successful sockpuppeting is not slipping up and posting a reply using the incorrect username.
 

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Race Radio said:
BTW You need to keep your usernames straight. Part of successful sockpuppeting is not slipping up and posting a reply using the incorrect username.

RR, with those investigative instincts, it is no suprise to me you uncovered the $500,000 bribe back in October 1999. How do you do it? Do you have some sort of secret decoder ring?

But getting back to the original post....and you can use your proven awesome mindreading powers:

Do you think when David was young, he felt he was STRONG enough to WIN the TdF - and EPO would help him with that victory?

I wonder how many tens or hundreds of riders felt they would be strong enough to WIN the TdF if they used EPO. Lots of dashed hopes and FAIL.
Those riders now realize EPO will not win you a GT.
 
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Polish said:
RR, with those investigative instincts, it is no suprise to me you uncovered the $500,000 bribe back in October 1999. How do you do it? Do you have some sort of secret decoder ring?

But getting back to the original post....and you can use your proven awesome mindreading powers:

Do you think when David was young, he felt he was STRONG enough to WIN the TdF - and EPO would help him with that victory?

I wonder how many tens or hundreds of riders felt they would be strong enough to WIN the TdF if they used EPO. Lots of dashed hopes and FAIL.
Those riders now realize EPO will not win you a GT.

It appears you share the same narrow focus as your sockpuppet.

There is more to bike racing then the GC of the TdF. Some riders used EPO to succeed at the Tour, others won the Giro on it, others won classics or single stages. As with any medication some benefited more then others from it.

As for the $500,000, that info came from Silvia Schneck, UCI board member and head of it's ethics committee.
 

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All the EPO in China would not put Milar on the Final TdF Podium in Yellow.

Agreed. As Millar says in the interview, great athletes like Armstrong are a one off. There is no magic way of achieving what he has done.
 
Polish said:
EPO is a shortcut on the road to FAIL.

EPO makes you faster on the road to FAIL.

All the EPO in China would not put Milar on the Final TdF Podium in Yellow.

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David Millar's results post-EPO are way more impressive:)
Too bad he made mistakes when he was younger....

2006
1st Individual pursuit, British National Track Championships
1st Stage 14, Vuelta a España
2007
1st British National Road Race Championships
1st British National Time Trial Championships
1st Prologue, Paris-Nice
2008
1st Stage 1 TTT Giro d'Italia
2nd Overall Tour of California
2009
1st Stage 20 Vuelta a España
1st Edinburgh Nocturne
Combativity award Stage 6, Tour de France

All the EPO in China, wouldn't put Cav on the podium either. That means EPO is useless.

Right. Great argument there.

Am I missing something, or is Millar a top-shelf GC rider? Do people not understand the sport or just making ludicrous statements for the fun of it?
 
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Race Radio said:
This guy would disagree.

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HmmmM, not sure.

Lance knew that increasing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood was one limited factor to cycling performance. He had another 8 or so factors to take advantage of & did. Millar took advantage of one.

I determine a riders greatness at the pinnacle of competetion, mainly the 3 Tours... I have to look at what someone achieved overall at the top & how he went about achieving it.

Race Radio said:
As with any medication some benefited more then others from it.

Where all different right?... Ohhh wait a minute, wait a minute.... The guys who benefited the most was actually the guys who won overall GC.
 

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Ferminal said:
Because it didn't get David Millar a big GC result.

Millar probably isn't physiology suited to GC. I agree with Polish that you really have to have that natural talent to begin with. That's, of course, a different point to saying EPO is useless.
 
Rise Of The Dead said:
HmmmM, not sure.

Lance knew that increasing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood was one limited factor to cycling performance. He had another 8 or so factors to take advantage of & did. Millar took advantage of one.

I determine a riders greatness at the pinnacle of competetion, mainly the 3 Tours... I have to look at what someone achieved overall at the top & how he went about achieving it.



Where all different right?... Ohhh wait a minute, wait a minute.... The guys who benefited the most was actually the guys who won overall GC.

List them.

Slayer said:
Millar probably isn't physiology suited to GC. I agree with Polish that you really have to have that natural talent to begin with. That's, of course, a different point to saying EPO is useless.

Exactly, which is why it's idiotic of him to view Millar as a GC rider as means of determining the influence of EPO. Millar is not a GC rider period, EPO or not.

ChrisE said:
I can't refrain any longer.

ROTD, if you had 2 brains you would be twice as stupid.


Can't say I've ever heard that one before, quite funny actually!
 

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Ferminal said:
Exactly, which is why it's idiotic of him to view Millar as a GC rider as means of determining the influence of EPO. Millar is not a GC rider period, EPO or not.

It's the claim of many people here that Armstrong is not a GC rider. By highlighting that EPO could not turn Millar into a GC contender I presume Polish was addressing those extremists.
 
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Slayer said:
Millar probably isn't physiology suited to GC. I agree with Polish that you really have to have that natural talent to begin with. That's, of course, a different point to saying EPO is useless.

I can think of a certain GT winner, who in the early part of his career didn't have the talent to climb or TT then as if by magic.....
 

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BYOP88 said:
I can think of a certain GT winner, who in the early part of his career didn't have the talent to climb or TT then as if by magic.....

Bradley Wiggins? He was on the same team as Millar, who in that interview makes clear his leading opposition to any type of recovery doping whatsoever. Some times riders have the talent but aren't able to access it for a number of reasons. Take Armstrong for instance. Once he went "100% operational" in his approach, as Millar says, he took it to a new level. He always had a GC rider within him.
 
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Slayer said:
Why do you believe EPO is useless?

It's "suspected" that it increases oxygen capability & VO2 max which "if" is the case, enhances only one aspect of cycling performance. Concentrating on (one) limiting factor to cycling performance can't possibly make you a Tour contender or eventual winner, EPO or no EPO.

Evidence please;

2000 TDF: 62nd Place
2001 TDF: Abandoned after Stage 10
2002 TDF: 68th Place
2003 TDF: 55th Place

Millar probably isn't physiology suited to GC.

Not sure. Two legs, two arms, a head n' all & didn't I once hear Millar having a higher recorded VO2 than Lance, which going on that assumption, Millar has the genetic advantage. Maybe he was thinking EPO beat the hell out of training all winter, dedicating his life to cycling/training/working hard, looking at new methods, prinicipals, pioneering. All Armstrongesque...
 
Slayer said:
It's the claim of many people here that Armstrong is not a GC rider. By highlighting that EPO could not turn Millar into a GC contender I presume Polish was addressing those extremists.

But Armstrong won the 1999 TdF on EPO, so either he wasn't a GC rider and took EPO and won, or he always was a GC rider and EPO didn't help him win, he just took it for fun.

If Armstrong tested positive in one of his later victories, you could claim that he was a proven GC rider before hand. It's perhaps a bit difficult to reason that way considering he tested positive in only his second top-level GT performance.

Chiappucci, Pantani, Riis, Virenque, Zulle, Armstrong, Simoni, Heras, Di Luca, Basso, Ullrich, Valverde, Vinokourov, Kohl.

Deniers often cite "It's not worth the risk" as the main reason not to dope. But how can we explain the fact that the above blood doped if it was such an inefficient way of increasing performance? If blood doping only gives you say 0.5-1% extra, why did these GC riders do it?