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Deja vu? (the Pechstein affaire)

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Lol at above 'allowed to be skating with clean skaters'

There is no such thing really. Here in the Netherlands it's a big sport and i seriously doubt the skaters are clean.
World records get improved nearly every year like it's nothing. We see inhuman performances by Shani Davis (1000,1500m) and Sven Kramer (5000m, 10.000m, allrounder) and their competitors every time. And nobody raises any suspicion. :D

Don't tell me speed skaters are clean. No way in hell :D
 
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Lol at above 'allowed to be skating with clean skaters'

There is no such thing really. Here in the Netherlands it's a big sport and i seriously doubt the skaters are clean.
World records get improved nearly every year like it's nothing. We see inhuman performances by Shani Davis (1000,1500m) and Sven Kramer (5000m, 10.000m, allrounder) and their competitors every time. And nobody raises any suspicion. :D

Don't tell me speed skaters are clean. No way in hell :D

It's the klapschaats or 'clap-scate', and the shoddy 3m 'zigzag' strips of rubber (?) taped to their body suits to make them more aero...
 
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Lol at above 'allowed to be skating with clean skaters'

There is no such thing really. Here in the Netherlands it's a big sport and i seriously doubt the skaters are clean.
World records get improved nearly every year like it's nothing. We see inhuman performances by Shani Davis (1000,1500m) and Sven Kramer (5000m, 10.000m, allrounder) and their competitors every time. And nobody raises any suspicion. :D

Don't tell me speed skaters are clean. No way in hell :D

My words were: It does though allow a confirmed and suspended doper to compete with presumedly clean skaters

Obviously, the key word here is presumedly
 
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My words were: It does though allow a confirmed and suspended doper to compete with presumedly clean skaters

Obviously, the key word here is presumedly

dekker lays it out about right. Everybody at the top levels are jacked. Pechstein may be also, but there is no confirmation. The outcome of her case will highlight the may different ways of handling and testing samples, which at best looks like it has been done by either a high school science class or the chain of custody for the samples was handled by the US FAA officials who posted a secret document on website giving guidelines of what they look for at terrorist check points in the airport. How you catch dopers and the credibility of the process are also important.
 

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DPA | Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:52:00 GMT

German ministry drops Pechstein disciplinary case

The five-time gold medallist is fighting a two-year suspension imposed by ruling skating body ISU for abnormally high levels of reticulocytes (immature red blood cells) in several blood tests. The ban was later confirmed by CAS.

Pechstein has always denied doping and has never failed a drug test, with the ban a result of blood screening results for a biological passport.

She has appealed to the Swiss federal court in the hope of hearing the case heard again by CAS .....

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/339613,drops-pechstein-disciplinary-case.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2010-08-16-3400741339_x.htm
 
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German ministry drops Pechstein disciplinary case

The five-time gold medallist is fighting a two-year suspension imposed by ruling skating body ISU for abnormally high levels of reticulocytes (immature red blood cells) in several blood tests. The ban was later confirmed by CAS.

Pechstein has always denied doping and has never failed a drug test, with the ban a result of blood screening results for a biological passport.

She has appealed to the Swiss federal court in the hope of hearing the case heard again by CAS .....

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/339613,drops-pechstein-disciplinary-case.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2010-08-16-3400741339_x.htm

In the disciplinary case (Pechstein is a policewoman) it could not be shown beyond reasonable doubt that she doped. As I remember, Pechstein claimed a specific illness might have been responsible for her high and variable retic counts. Does anyone know whether she's actually been diagnosed with this illness? I think it was spherocytosis IIRC.
 

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Swiss supreme court bomshell ruling to force CAS to do the case over again is scheduled in 2 weeks begin September ...

an important ruling towards the legitimacy of the Bio-Passport as Rogge underlined for IOC credebility and for the athletes rights to have a fair trial !

this might be the reason the UCI has put on hold it's prosecution of possible/suspected Bio Passport violators pending this ground breaking outcome.

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Lol at above 'allowed to be skating with clean skaters'

There is no such thing really. Here in the Netherlands it's a big sport and i seriously doubt the skaters are clean.
World records get improved nearly every year like it's nothing. We see inhuman performances by Shani Davis (1000,1500m) and Sven Kramer (5000m, 10.000m, allrounder) and their competitors every time. And nobody raises any suspicion. :D

Don't tell me speed skaters are clean. No way in hell :D

But all the dope in the world isnt going to stop your coach (or whatever the term is ) giving you the wrong lane and costing you a medal.

Also speed skating (the above mentioned variety) is a lot like the time trial in our thing ( people race against the clock) and there is nowhere near the same scrutiny towards tters like cancellara, martin, gel for their super tting as there is towards the climbers and gt contenders.
 

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Swiss court dismisses Pechstein appeal (Roundup)

Oct 1, 2010, 12:11 GMT

Lausanne, Switzerland - The Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland has ....

Pechstein expressed her disappointment and complained about a 'perfidious case against me.'
! Her manager Ralf Grengel spoke of an 'embarrassment' and lawyer Simon Bergmann said Pechstein will go before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.


Source: [http://moncritics.com/news/europe/Swiss-court-Pechstein-appeal]
 

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German speedskater denied doping appeal :eek:

That's what it is, isn't it ? - How can that be ? - That's not human ?

There is no appeal possibility once innocent portrait as a drug cheat, with on top of that, a 1 round conviction carrousel at the CAS, that looks like a circus without animals, only clown doing a bunch of window dressing !

It's a closed sanction circuit, with no oversight at all, and them lulus want to keep it that way, although it's against all human rights anchored in the first amendments of Western country's per say, called a constitution.

Now this brave Miss Claudia the first ever, is going to bring this Ludichrist thing before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, as her last resort.

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Let me ! tell you all this, and mark these words!! "Pechstein is going to win this thing", and that whole narcistic system will be toppled, just like with that soccer [Bosman-Arrest in 1995].

Never in history of the doping crusade has anybody been railroaded like this pretty lady and at the end been vindicated, well it will take another estimated 2 years and you will know.
It is going to cost them Federations (ISU,DESG,DOSB etc.), Wada, NADA etc. loads of money in demages in the long run, already astimated and claimed at +10million euros, but can easily double or triple or more.

There comes a moment when lower end witch hunt politics isn't working anymore, in this case that moment has for gods sake arrived, and it's out of the claws of the vultures who started this bizar rollercoaster, by even thinking that Claudia ever had laid her hands on drug abuse.

Last article German media is furious: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6067251,00.html

This is far from over !
 
Why then would an innocent lady behave so guiltily in the early months of her case? Did she think this is how athletes are supposed to behave when innocent, since all the big earning ones do it like that?
"I never tested positive". "Great champion". Come on!

IMO after the Landis case, no-one should be allowed to be stupid anymore in doping cases, innocent or guilty. Like, 2 stupid strikes, and you're out. Just because stupid is a popular obstruction of justice. Once lawyered up, you don't get to be stupid anymore, or the case is closed by that, all the way to Strassbourg.