Teams & Riders Derek Gee is the new G

[Armchair Cyclist]

And besides even if all this happen, Derek is still off the hook as his and Premier Tech contract terminations where lawful.

That's a huge assumption that has not yet been tested at law. And most of what you are presenting as fact seems to be unfounded assumption.

I was only talking about that hypothetically, as of course nobody is going to buy the existing legal entity

As to the latter part, time will tell. As to the former, we all know from the word "If" that it was hypothetical, but given that the hypothetical that you raised

I doubt anybody is prepared to buy that entity and even if that would to happen i am rather sure that the very next step would be to transfer the licence to a new legal entity.

was the sale of the current entity, then it makes no sense to talk of a new entity in that circumstance.

 

[CyclistAbi]

That's a huge assumption that has not yet been tested at law. And most of what you are presenting as fact seems to be unfounded assumption.

No it's not an assumption and it falls under the exact same law on why Premier Tech could simply terminate their contract with no pending lawsuits at sight. Their actions where of magnitude higher in terms of the impact then what Derek could ever do and still. So if you want me to explain this further please lax the forum rules to allow for it, otherwise please don't hold the premise of "assumption" at me knowing we can't discuss it further. And as you say:

As to the latter part, time will tell.

Indeed. And by time we are talking about near future here.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

No it's not an assumption and it falls under the exact same law on why Premier Tech could simply terminate their contract with no pending lawsuits at sight. Their actions where of magnitude higher in terms of the impact then what Derek could ever do and still. So if you want me to explain this further please lax the forum rules to allow for it, otherwise please don't hold the premise of "assumption" at me knowing we can't discuss it further.

Forum rules have nothing to do with it. Either every single rider contract in relation to that entity is valid, or none of them are. It absolutely is your assumption that Gee has some different arrangement, and it has not (unless this has happened without publicity) been resolved by either concession by one party or by a decision at law.

Do you even know, as a verified fact, whether Gee's claim for freedom of contract is based on constructive dismissal due to his clash with an unspecified senior member of the team, or on the basis of inability to assure safety? If you do, then please share the source of such verification: if you don't then I absolutely assert that it is pure assumption on your part.

 

[AmRacer]

You indeed are good at facts and your arguments in debates are always stellar.



Who is that person with such insight and where can i read more about it?



I was only talking about that hypothetically, as of course nobody is going to buy the existing legal entity, one would need to be rather stupid to do so. Transferring parts of it to a new legal entity, that is on what the most likely outcome will be. If that won't happen then IMHO what will happen next is the licence will get revoked. There is always of course the possibility that Adams would put his own money into it and would try to operate this team as such, but that is IMHO not sustainable and any such attempt would soon crumble, accumulated debt the most likely outcome. Finding a new title sponsor is IMHO not realistic either, given the circumstances involved. And besides even if all this happen, Derek is still off the hook as his and Premier Tech contract terminations where lawful.

@ingsve

We'll see. Personally i am rather sure that it will get sorted out before the season 2026 starts and that all options are still on the table. "Legal talk" in this case is mostly to apply pressure, that is to encourage all sides involved to find a solution they agree on. So basically an encouragement to avoid legal actions and to settle it in arbitration.

Of course, they are spot on.

 

[pastronef]

Premiertech rumored to be joining Alpecin. dear me if Gee signs there I'll have to become an Alpecin fan (I'm not)

 

[jono]

Premiertech rumored to be joining Alpecin. dear me if Gee signs there I'll have to become an Alpecin fan (I'm not)

Well, Gee was first onto the Trouée d'Arenberg a few years ago so he can do a job for that team (don't ask what happened like a minute later...)

 

[pastronef]

Gee will ride for whichever team Premier Tech decide to invest their money in, Ineos perhaps.
Unless of course Premier Tech go with St Michel Preference Home Auber93.

WOW! they do!

 

[CyclistAbi]

Forum rules have nothing to do with it.

My answer would get deleted (or worse) if i would explain it to you. I know that for a fact as i already was in this exact Catch 22 situation a couple of weeks back and that was the exact outcome.

Without saying more in the gist of it it's the exact same thing, legally speaking, on why Premier Tech and Factor could simply terminate their contracts and say see ya and nobody could sue them for that.

Anyway, IPT is no more and the licence was sold to a different legal entity. As such Derek is now officially free to do whatever he wants, sign for whatever team he chooses. Adams can try to sue him in some private lawsuit if he feels he has any grounds for it. Honestly i feel that any such lawsuit would get dismissed quickly.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

My answer would get deleted (or worse) if i would explain it to you. I know that for a fact as i already was in this exact Catch 22 situation a couple of weeks back and that was the exact outcome.

Without saying more in the gist of it it's the exact same thing, legally speaking, on why Premier Tech and Factor could simply terminate their contracts and say see ya and nobody could sue them for that.

Anyway, IPT is no more and the licence was sold to a different legal entity. As such Derek is now officially free to do whatever he wants, sign for whatever team he chooses. Adams can try to sue him in some private lawsuit if he feels he has any grounds for it. Honestly i feel that any such lawsuit would get dismissed quickly.

PM me and we'll see whether we can give you an opportunity to answer publicly in a way that you can be confident will not draw any sanction.

 

[ingsve]

Anyway, IPT is no more and the licence was sold to a different legal entity. As such Derek is now officially free to do whatever he wants, sign for whatever team he chooses. Adams can try to sue him in some private lawsuit if he feels he has any grounds for it. Honestly i feel that any such lawsuit would get dismissed quickly.

Derek Gee is not free just yet. His claim of "just cause" termination is still a matter for the UCI Arbitral Board to decide. Until that matter is decided upon he is not yet free to sign for anyone else. It is however likely that the board will rule in his favor either by agreeing with him or through a mutual settlement agreement. But all that still needs to be formally adjudicated by the Arbitral Board and that has not happened yet. The case is set to be handled either Q4 2025 or Q1 2026 so if things move slow it might be some time into the new season before Gee can sign for another team.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Anyway, IPT is no more and the licence was sold to a different legal entity. As such Derek is now officially free to do whatever he wants, sign for whatever team he chooses.

Once again, utterly wrong. The same entity exists, under a new name and different ownership. But, crucially, with the same assets and obligations. And among those assets is a contract with Derek Gee. What value that asset has is yet to be tested, but it exists.

And no, Adams couldn't sue him, because he has sold the rights to any residual value in that contract with the team. Not that Adams individually ever could have done so, because the contract was not made with him, but with the team.