I am here at TDF and this am the news reported that he was in contact with a 'naturopath' who has admitted to having injected Ozone in to his blood. Don't get the ozone....??Bala Verde said:According to the previously quoted article, Interpol was involved. So it's highly likely it was a cross border incident (otherwise why would Interpol be involved), and probably within European jurisdiction. Trafficking seems a good bet.
Injecting someone with ozone is really rather an alarming prospect.... Ozone is a powerful oxidant (far more so than dioxygen [note: molecular oxygeen with the normal two atoms]) and has many industrial and consumer applications related to oxidization. This same high oxidizing potential, however, causes ozone to damage mucus and respiratory tissues in animals, and also tissues in plants, above concentrations of about 100 parts per billion. This makes ozone a potent respiratory hazard and pollutant ...
Thanks that was most informative. It'll also stop me running around looking for ozone injections for my back problems.Square-pedaller said:This whole ozone thing sounds like quackery to me - both the posted link about pain relief and de Gregorio:
Ozone is a molecular substance which contains three oxygen atoms, instead of the usual two. Oxygen is good for you, makes you win races (that is after all, why EPO is effective, because the consequence is that your blood can carry more oxygen). So anything with three oxygen atoms instead of two has got to be good for you, right?
The problem is that it isn't right:
Injecting someone with ozone is really rather an alarming prospect.
To emphasize the point, hydrogen (H), carbon (C) and nitrogen (N) are essential elements in the make-up of all living things - yet HCN (hydrogen cyanide) is extremely toxic.
Personally, I think pursuing de Gregorio for doping in this case is important. Protecting the health of athletes is, I think, one of the powerful reasons to bother fighting doping in sports. Even if it's protecting them from their own stupidity.
Check out http://list.wada-ama.org/ there's a wealth of info there, and the main site http://www.wada-ama.org/en/pugdog said:Thanks that was most informative. It'll also stop me running around looking for ozone injections for my back problems.
You point out something that has been completely forgotten. Doping should be controlled because it harms or kills. Cheating is hardly the main factor. After all, Evolution is all about cheating. Microbial life cheats to survive and the non cheat dies out. It's in our genes to try and make the fight for survival unequal with us on top. Telling an athlete that he's cheating probably has the same effect on him as telling him his neighbour down the road got bitten by a mosquito. I really wish WADA, the IOC, UCI and every other authority concerned with sport would start talking about the health hazzards instead of gassing on endlessly about what naughty cheats the athletes are.
Carbon monoxide does indeed bind irreversibly with haemoglobin.montel said:I thought ozone bonds to blood and won't release in the lungs - kind of like carbon monoxide?
It seems that ozone derived from vehicle exhausts causes lung and cardiovascular disease. However, I'm not an expert and have no idea whether that's what causes your lungs to hurt.montel said:I know that my lungs hurt after riding in traffic on a hot summer day - mostly from what I understand as ozone???
Thanks for the references.pelodee said:Check out http://list.wada-ama.org/ there's a wealth of info there, and the main site http://www.wada-ama.org/en/
Have a look at The Code which is linked on both sites.
The Code (roughly says) that a substance is considered for inclusion on the banned list if it meets any two of the following three criteria:
1)The substance has the potential to enhance sport performance;
2)Its use represents an actual or potential health risk to the athlete; and
3)Its use violates the 'spirit of sport'
With the past problems cofidis have had they were damned if they did nothing and damned if they did. Surely a test to see what the drugs were would only take a couple of days?webvan said:What a mess, shouldn't he be suing the lab rather though as Codifis were only applying the UCI rules most likely?
It works well. A lot of cancer patients use it as an alternate to chemotherapy.Michele said:An "unpopular" doctor in my area was banned cause he was using ozon therapy on cyclists.
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/09/dopage-remy-di-gregorio-autorise-a-recourir_3156745_3242.htmlLe Monde said:"This is about lifting the part of Mr De Gré]
Idem said:The 27-year old professional, who considers himself "rehabilitated", stated in an interview published Tuesday 9th April in the daily newspaper La Provence that he may use a recent favourable decision from the Court of Appeal in Aix-en-Provence to sue his former team Cofidis which had fired him.
Wasn't Di Grégorio using ozone therapy? I am not a scientist, but this "therapy" sounds a lot like blood doping with a fancy name. What should Cofidis have done when they learned he was extracting then reinjecting blood? Assuming they didn't know he was doing it in the first place.manafana said:cofidis are blameless in this in my view, given his past teams, they couldnt stick their neck out, theirs more to the story than we are hearing.
And now this:frenchfry said:Wasn't Di Grégorio using ozone therapy? I am not a scientist, but this "therapy" sounds a lot like blood doping with a fancy name. What should Cofidis have done when they learned he was extracting then reinjecting blood? Assuming they didn't know he was doing it in the first place.
Cofidis has been sentenced to pay "significant damages" to Di Gregorio, according to the rider's lawyer Fabienne Bendayan-Chetrit, who agreed with her client to not disclose the amount. She added that negotiations were ongoing for a comeback in a French professional team.