Did Fabian Cancellara Lie ??

[Madone]

There are new news about FC and the reason he used for changing team and is he trust able ??

http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/article.php/id-34744114:løj-fabian-cancellara-for-riis.html (on Danish)

Translated with Google. :

Lied Fabian Cancellara of Riis?
04-11-10: 07:00 | by: Stine Bjerre Jørgensen / Kristian Eshøj Josefsen


The Swiss watts king Fabian Cancellara told the day before yesterday that he will leave Team Saxo Bank because he will not be overshadowed by Alberto Contador. But was it the truth?

Now showing new information that TV 2 Sport Magazine Ever On and Sport is in possession of that Cancellara at the end of last year was in negotiations with his prospective employer, the Luxembourg cycling team Team Schleck.

Therefore, he can not use Contador - first during the Tour de France 2010 began negotiating with Bjarne Riis - as an excuse to leave the Danish cycling team.

Director confirms
In the planning of the new Luxembourg cycling team was Fabian Cancellara even used in promotional materials to entice sponsors.

At the time, stood the former Astana manager Marc Biver head the new bike project, and he confirms that he has already negotiated last year with Cancellara.

- Cancellara knew it. For I know Cancellara, and I personally had a talk with him about it. It was in December and January, said Marc Biver to LPS, while it has been possible to get a comment from Cancellara himself.

Get the whole story about the making of the Luxembourg cycling team, on which the Schleck brothers made about when Kim Andersen came with it and when it all went up to Bjarne Riis in LPS tonight at 22.30 at TV 2

 

[lucybears]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6...h-Luxembourg-Pro-Cycling-Project-in-2009.aspx

 

[pugdog]

It seems to be common practice. Wasn't Contador saying he was 99% sure to stay with Astana, whilst he was negotiating with Riis. The biter bit.

 

[Madone]

It seems to be common practice. Wasn't Contador saying he was 99% sure to stay with Astana, whilst he was negotiating with Riis. The biter bit.

In some way you are right but not in this case.

FC knew for most off the year and blocked BR budget until after the Vuelta where all the better riders had a new contract and leaving BR with a lot lesser orpotunities getting better riders for 2011 season.

 

[Dalakhani]

Therefore, he can not use Contador - first during the Tour de France 2010 began negotiating with Bjarne Riis - as an excuse to leave the Danish cycling team.

The fact there were negotiations doesn't mean a deal will be done.

Maybe he was on the fence - or leaning towards staying at Saxo Bank - but the Contador signing made him decide to go with Luxembourg?

We don't know. But I don't think this story proves Contador's signing wasn't a reason for him leaving.

Steve

 

[lucybears]

The fact there were negotiations doesn't mean a deal will be done.

Maybe he was on the fence - or leaning towards staying at Saxo Bank - but the Contador signing made him decide to go with Luxembourg?

We don't know. But I don't think this story proves Contador's signing wasn't a reason for him leaving.

Steve

Cancellara had been in talks with the Luxembourg project as early as December of 2009.
Not only was Cancellara talking about racing with the Luxembourg team at that point, he was used in promotional pieces to help lure sponsors into supporting the upstart program.

 

[Magnus]

Cancellara had been in talks with the Luxembourg project as early as December of 2009.
Not only was Cancellara talking about racing with the Luxembourg team at that point, he was used in promotional pieces to help lure sponsors into supporting the upstart program.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[Dalakhani]

Not only was Cancellara talking about racing with the Luxembourg team at that point, he was used in promotional pieces to help lure sponsors into supporting the upstart program.

Yes, I saw that in the article.

And?

Unless you've evidence that Cancellara had agreed to sign with Luxembourg before Contador agreed to go to Saxo, where's the proof that the Contador signing wasn't a factor?

For all we know, Canc was waiting to see who Saxo signed before making his decision. Maybe if they hadn't signed a top GC guy, he would have stayed for a year and had a crack at winning the TdF?

Steve

 

[Christian]

Cancellara had been in talks with the Luxembourg project as early as December of 2009.
Not only was Cancellara talking about racing with the Luxembourg team at that point, he was used in promotional pieces to help lure sponsors into supporting the upstart program.

Let's not forget who said all this: Marc Biver

And let's not forget who has nothing to do with the Luxembourg team (anymore?): Marc Biver.

Seriously the dude is pretty weird and if he played such a big role in setting up the team, why is he completely out of the loop now?

There were rumours in January about F. Becca and Biver trying to make a deal with Andy Rihs and BMC, either none of that was true or it didn't work out. Anyways Biver only seeks attention in my opinion ("I know Fabian Cancellara and have talked with him personally" - wow, amazing!) and I don't give too much credit to his statements.

 

[lucybears]

Do you have a source for this?

read the earlier links

 

[ingsve]

In some way you are right but not in this case.

FC knew for most off the year and blocked BR budget until after the Vuelta where all the better riders had a new contract and leaving BR with a lot lesser orpotunities getting better riders for 2011 season.

That sounds like some type of vindictive conspiracy against Riis. Get real, that's just bull****.

 

[lucybears]

Yes, I saw that in the article.

And?

Unless you've evidence that Cancellara had agreed to sign with Luxembourg before Contador agreed to go to Saxo, where's the proof that the Contador signing wasn't a factor?

For all we know, Canc was waiting to see who Saxo signed before making his decision. Maybe if they hadn't signed a top GC guy, he would have stayed for a year and had a crack at winning the TdF?

Steve

I find it odd that a rider under contract to one team was actively recruiting sponsors for another team. "proof that the Contador signing wasn't a factor" - maybe not proof, but a signalling of intent.

 

[ingsve]

Do we even know that they were planning to have Cancellara on board for 2011? They all knew that Cancellara was still under contract and couldn't be sure to be able to release him from it. Perhaps they simply intended for Cancellara to join them when his contract ran out. That would still be interesting for sponsors to know.

Then when Contador came along the situation perhaps changed and efforts probably increased to get Cancellara out of his contract.

 

[roundabout]

Riis tried to sign Cunego and Hushovd but they said no. I'm sure Cancellara is also somehow to blame here.

 

[lucybears]

http://translate.google.com/transla...-saxo-bank-historien-om-et-bebudet-fadermord/

 

[Dalakhani]

I find it odd that a rider under contract to one team was actively recruiting sponsors for another team.

Allegedly had his image/name used in the recruitment of sposors.

Where does it say that he himself was actively recruiting sponsors?

At most, the implication is that he allowed Luxo to use his name in their recruitment. But even that hasn't been said explicitly. (As far as I know.)

Steve

 

[la.margna]

1) FC could not have been used to promote the team to potential sponsors as every more or less serious due diligence would have shown that he is under contract with Saxo until 2011 and can't get out of it, unless Riis agrees to it
2) Of course, FC wanted from the beginning to join his friends in Lux, because almost ALL his close cycling friends were to move there. However, it needed a trigger (AC signing) and (as mentioned under 1) Mr. 60%'s ok
3) Yes, it would indeed be sad, but no surprise considering that I have not yet found one honest Pro Tour rider. AC also said in front of the entire team in Paris that he will stay and ride with them in 2011, altough had already agreed or had been in concrete negotiations with Riis since the Tour's alst rest day
4) Media often like to miss a word or turn a sentence around. In particular they decide what to use for the headline. Maybe FC in the conversation stated a few additional things and AC signing was just one of numerous factors? Media want confrontation, dirt, polarisation...

 

[El Pistolero]

I've heard of multiple people that worked close with Cancellara that he is like a "baby". He needs people around him that he can trust and they need to tell him what to do. Holding his hand. Perhaps baby is a bit insulting towards FC, but it's pretty obvious why he chose Team Schleck.

 

[Old School]

All I know is that he is just a rider who wants the biggest $$$$. No crime in that.

 

[maltiv]

I've heard of multiple people that worked close with Cancellara that he is like a "baby". He needs people around him that he can trust and they need to tell him what to do. Holding his hand. Perhaps baby is a bit insulting towards FC, but it's pretty obvious why he chose Team Schleck.

He even needed Bjarne Riis to hold his hand before crossing the line in RVV...

 

[redranger]

nothing wrong with wanting to work with people you like and trust. he also said that the focus of the team changed with Conti and that at his level he couldnt afford a year off balance.

 

[El Pistolero]

He even needed Bjarne Riis to hold his hand before crossing the line in RVV...

And he still took the wrong flag

 

[nowhereman]

No matter what the issue or circumstance is, we are not going to get the Whole truth and nothing but the truth, about ANYTHING. The only real thing to be considered is: Don't get caught in an outright LIE! As human beings, we lie far more than we tell the truth, and it all starts at a very young age, so this shouldn't be so shocking. Our only need, as fans, should be entertainment. This ain't no confessional, so we shouldn't expect that to happen, cause it ain't going to.
So we all ought to just get over it, and keep on moving along.

 

[redranger]

the wrong flag? what are you talking about?

 

[Sørensen]

Who can blame him really? Not so much fun to drink alone...