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Hugh Januss said:I'm gonna go with no.
usedtobefast said:i never tested positive...
Hugh Januss said:I'm gonna go with no.
Hahaha, nice.Dr. Maserati said:In 2006? .......
Krebs cycle said:I was a subject in 2 different EPO detection research studies. Both studies were double-blinded of course but we found out which group we were in after it was over. The first study had 3 groups: control, EPO with oral iron and EPO with intramuscular iron (I was in the EPO with oral iron), and the 2nd study had: control, large dose EPO and microdose EPO both with intra iron injections (I was in the large dose EPO group in this one).
On both occasions about 2-3 wks into the intervention, my mtb training buddies could see clearly which group I was in.... after they cleared my dust out of their eyes that is
compete_clean said:Is this study published? I would be interested to see what the results were. What form of consent was involved. Just curious because of the health risks associated with EPO.
Cimacoppi49 said:They dope for the glory of winning. When you see a 50+ year old man with fresh acne all over his back while changing after a race, you kind of have to wonder. Combine that with extreme aggression on the bike and in the parking lot, and I would suspect doping. Even amateurs want to win at any price--some of them anyway.
If you knew you were one of the strong ones and had a shot at winning the race, would you do it?Martin318is said:I certainly have.
There are many reasons to dope and not all of them are directly based upon being at the top of your form and wanting an extra "edge".
In my case, I knowingly took sudafed prior to an amateur triathlon where I knew testing would not occur, even though I was at the time a licensed racing cyclist who did races where testing WOULD occur. At that time it still contained psuedoephedrine which was on the substances list.
The reason? I had a ridiculously bad head cold with massive sinus pain and rather than abandon a race I had been looking forward to doing with friends, I went to the pharmacy and got the tablets. (this is an over the counter medicine and by no means an unusual thing at a pharmacy)
So that leaves an interesting question I guess - if you know you were never going to win the event anyway, were not even really trying to do particularly well other than have fun, and you know you are not well enough to even do as well as you normally would, yet you would fail a urine test.... what does that make you? A cheater?
Krebs cycle said:I was a subject in 2 different EPO detection research studies. Both studies were double-blinded of course but we found out which group we were in after it was over. The first study had 3 groups: control, EPO with oral iron and EPO with intramuscular iron (I was in the EPO with oral iron), and the 2nd study had: control, large dose EPO and microdose EPO both with intra iron injections (I was in the large dose EPO group in this one).
On both occasions about 2-3 wks into the intervention, my mtb training buddies could see clearly which group I was in.... after they cleared my dust out of their eyes that is
Cimacoppi49 said:Does using Librium during small bore rifle competition count? I don't recall any drug prohibitions in the 1960s from the NRA. Of course, just like Virenque noted, everybody was doing it.