Diet trends in professional cycling..

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[greenhulk]

A must read for any one foolish enough to think vegetarian diet is healthy!

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

 

[fatandfast]

I know from first-hand experience how easy it is to ride and race well with no meat in your diet. I've been a vegetarian (not vegan) for 16 years, during which time I went from being a Cat 5 to Cat 2 between '96 and 2000. In my last full season of racing, my typical week consisted of Mon-off, Tues-race on the velodrome, Wed-fast group ride (Wednesday Worlds ), Thur-race on the velodrome, Fri-off, Sat and Sun multiple races. I was racing so much I barely had time to train, and I did it all on vegetarian diet with no greater health problems than anyone else.

A better example is my best friend, who was a vegan during the same time period and has multiple Illinois state championships to his name, everything from road to cyclocross to team time trial. That was on a very strict vegan diet, no eggs or dairy, not even foods like pancakes that had milk in the recipe!

Meat is overrated, don't believe the hype funded by the agricultural mega-corp's. They're just as bad as BP and Exxon.

The Wed Ride is one of the greatest San Diego traditions. The Hari Krishna temple in PB used to have an amazing vegetarian buffet..stuff made all veg..enchiladas.lasagna really fantastic food. How can you be next to so many rolled tacos,fish tacos and carne asada and not eat some of it. Huevos ala Mexicana is food from heaven

 

[nvpacchi]

NATURAL RESOURCES:

-User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:livestock production

I'm sorry but that number couldn't be further from the truth. Look at USGS's report: US Daily Livestock water consumption 2.14 BGD (billion gallons per day), and thermoelectric power is 202 BGD.

When water used by thermoelectric power is 100x that of livestock, does it really matter how much water animals use?

There are plenty of other water issues that are far more important than how much livestock uses.

 

[Juan Pelota]

1. 2 pics above of bodybuilders and guess which one is on steriods..

2. 51% of global greenhouse emmissions are due to the animal livestock industries according to www.51percent.org (no thats not Bjarne Riis's site.)

3. 1 in 4 vegetarians suffer from depression? Probably true with all the chicken, fish, dairy and eggs they still eat. Animal products have been linked to depression. This following site has medical references. http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_depression.html

4. Michael Phelps eats 10 000cals of junk? I guess you aint seen the doco made about him, with his friends saying how 'fanatical' he really is about his diet.

5. Cows will become extinct if we go vegan? Perhaps we can put 'cow rescue farms' where all the McDonalds and Jenny Craig weight loss centres used to be. Cos both would become bankrupt in a vegan world.

6. Us vegans do belong to a club. Its called 'race to save the planet' from the crew that are eating it away.

Seriously though, read Mark Cavendish's book about why he doesnt eat meat or dairy.

Actual Video about what michael phelps eats in a day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE3yp9vQb0&feature=related

Durian, quit lying and making stuff up. The rest of your claims are equally crazy and off base.

As I've said, eating locally grass fed beef is the BEST for the environment.

Second is vegan,veggie/ but barely at all better than our current industry.

Now to PROVE vegan's just want to be part of the club...

Tell my why, you would not eat a WILD shot deer, or rabbit, or kangaroo?

 

[Boeing]

We are seeing more and more towards the shift to a plant based diet ever since Carl Lewis employed Dr McDougall to help him increase his athletic performance. Dr McDougall put Lewis on a vegan diet.

http://www.earthsave.org/lifestyle/carllewis.htm

Chiara Evans recently said on her blog she uses soy instead of dairy for Cadel 'cos its lighter!'

Mark Cavendish in his book 'boy racer' talks about how come he doesnt eat meat or dairy.

Team Garmin made the switch to more gluten free plant based products.

Basso says he doesnt eat "eggs, omeletes or anything like that.."

Lance put his name on the back of Rip Esselstyn's book 'the engine2 diet' (Its a hardcore vegan health book)

And good knows what Levi is thinking! He openly calls himself a vegetarian and does activism work for http://www.peta.org

http://blog.peta.org/archives/levi_leipheimer/

What is the peleton coming too!

Ironic there are a lot of broken bones this tour?

 

[Juan Pelota]

Actually this IS SPAM..

do a google search. THis same thread has been made in a host of different forums.

Is Mark Cavendish really even a vegan? I can't find any corraborating evidence here. And Durian seems to be someone who just makes stuff up.

 

[Juan Pelota]

According to this website . HE'S NOT a vegan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...-The-making-speed-demon-people-know-best.html

and that he eats fish, meat, eggs,

THE DIET
During the Tour, Cavendish and his team-mates will have a diet that is rich in carbohydrates. On a morning prior to a day’s racing, they will stock up on white pasta, white rice or omelettes — food that can be digested quickly.
During a race, Cav will take in energy drinks and bars. It is only in the evening when food rich in fibre may be on the menu. The team’s German chef — who cooks for the riders throughout the three-week Tour — will provide a variety of meat and fish dishes.
Towards the end of the 2,270-mile marathon, volume becomes even more critical for riders as they desperately need to pile in the calories to help their exhausted bodies


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...eed-demon-people-know-best.html#ixzz0tmFYHlFV


LEVI IS NOT VEGETARIAN EITHER.

his wife is, and he enjoys vegetarian dishes, but he's not veggie.

Can we ban this durian spammer?

 

[krebs303]

The durian is commonly known as the "King of the Fruits",a label that can be attributed to its formidable look and overpowering odor

 

[indurain666]

Is it me or is there something really wrong with Zabel's face ??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...eed-demon-people-know-best.html#ixzz0tmFYHlFV

Too much HGH???

 

[durianrider]

A must read for any one foolish enough to think vegetarian diet is healthy!

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

Written by a lovely lady that clearly had an eating disorder and starved herself to ill health.

Personally I like to take my advice from Doctors that see the light and from fellow elite athletes that see the importance of being healthy.

 

[durianrider]

According to this website . HE'S NOT a vegan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...-The-making-speed-demon-people-know-best.html

and that he eats fish, meat, eggs,

THE DIET
During the Tour, Cavendish and his team-mates will have a diet that is rich in carbohydrates. On a morning prior to a day’s racing, they will stock up on white pasta, white rice or omelettes — food that can be digested quickly.
During a race, Cav will take in energy drinks and bars. It is only in the evening when food rich in fibre may be on the menu. The team’s German chef — who cooks for the riders throughout the three-week Tour — will provide a variety of meat and fish dishes.
Towards the end of the 2,270-mile marathon, volume becomes even more critical for riders as they desperately need to pile in the calories to help their exhausted bodies


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...eed-demon-people-know-best.html#ixzz0tmFYHlFV


LEVI IS NOT VEGETARIAN EITHER.

his wife is, and he enjoys vegetarian dishes, but he's not veggie.

Can we ban this durian spammer?

My quote was from Cavendish himself in his book. Not some vague newspaper article.

My quote was from Levi himself. Read the link I provided. http://blog.peta.org/archives/2007/07/a_word_with_lev_1.php

Thats funny, you want me banned? Why? Cos Im telling the truth?

 

[durianrider]

I am sorry, but this is just BS. It is not even junk science, it is not science at all. Over years I have seen so many different numbers what all these vegan and vegetarian climate action world watch blablabla sites are floating, it is just ridiculous. 51%, is this new fashion?

Just one example. World watch claims that eating 1 kilo meats destroys 110m2 rain forest and hundreds of vegan sites are happily repeating this claim. I once made a calculation, if true, then every year mankind should destroy 30 million km2 rain forest. Funny thing, there is just about 10-15 million km2 rain forest at all....

Would be great if you could offer some peer reviewed studies like I have in the previous posts. This would help substantiate your claims.

 

[durianrider]

Actual Video about what michael phelps eats in a day.

Durian, quit lying and making stuff up. The rest of your claims are equally crazy and off base.

As I've said, eating locally grass fed beef is the BEST for the environment.

Second is vegan,veggie/ but barely at all better than our current industry.

Now to PROVE vegan's just want to be part of the club...

Tell my why, you would not eat a WILD shot deer, or rabbit, or kangaroo?

1. I dont mind people calling me a liar as long as they dont mind me calling them a liar.. Please,lets keep this on topic and stop the abusive name calling and personal attacks, thanks.

Ive provided the peer reviewed medical sites to support this debate, here they are again, for the people that say Im 'lying'.

http://www.pcrm.org
http://www.drmcdougall.com
http://www.thechinastudy.com -which happens to be the most comprehensive study ever done on human nutrition.

http://www.notmilk.com has over a thousand medical journal references on the direct correlations between dairy consumption and disease creation.

2. Why wouldnt I get a gun and shoot an animal for breakfast etc? Well for me there is no need to as there is more than enough plant foods to eat that are far healthier and far better for athletic performance than animal products are. Besides, its a lot of work, cutting open the animal, cleaning it, cooking it, digesting it, feeling the brick in the gut etc. Id rather just eat something high in carbs to keep my glycogen tank ready to rock each training session.

3. Grass beef is better for the environment : Well the science say it takes up far more land due to the fact that grains have around 900%-1100% more calories per kg of feed. So to produce the same amount of flesh grass fed vs grain fed takes up WAY more land. Especially here in Australia with our arid climate and dry harsh summers. The water used to keep green grass for pastures during hot summers is insane,given the fact that Australia is in a water crisis.

 

[durianrider]

Ironic there are a lot of broken bones this tour?

Maybe Cadel needs to do more of this, then instead of eating healthy and training hard like he has been.

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[durianrider]

And just so you know that I actually live in real life and actually ride a bike...My name is Harley and here is a link to my latest race result. http://www.murbahcycleclub.org.au/results.php?news=cms/results/1277859516.htm. Thats me in A grade.

Recent picture of my and my girlfriend. We are both elite athletes and long time vegans.

Me out training with some half decent riders

 

[Juan Pelota]

My quote was from Cavendish himself in his book. Not some vague newspaper article.

My quote was from Levi himself. Read the link I provided. http://blog.peta.org/archives/2007/07/a_word_with_lev_1.php

Thats funny, you want me banned? Why? Cos Im telling the truth?

READ THAT article with Levi on PETA. Read it 100x. Tell me where he says he is a vegetarian. Come on, pretty please show me where it says he's a veggie.

The answer is NO WHERE. He says he enjoys vegetarian dishes that his wife cooks. Not that he is a vegetarian.

Post where Cav says he's a vegan. Post the PAGE NUMBER, and link the exact quote.

 

[Juan Pelota]

2. Why wouldnt I get a gun and shoot an animal for breakfast etc? Well for me there is no need to as there is more than enough plant foods to eat that are far healthier and far better for athletic performance than animal products are. Besides, its a lot of work, cutting open the animal, cleaning it, cooking it, digesting it, feeling the brick in the gut etc. Id rather just eat something high in carbs to keep my glycogen tank ready to rock each training session.

Right. It's much easier to hop on a plane, fly to Asia where they make Soy beans (you need the protein from somewhere), plant a few seeds during the right season, wait a few months and then eat them. Way easier than the few hours it would take to hunt.

 

[durianrider]

Relax Juan, I will contact Levi and get it from him if you want.

I will get that page number for you in Mark Cavendish's book 'boy racer'.

In the meantime Juan, here is a message from some fellow vegan ladies!

And I want to send you a present...

I do go to Asia to help out at orphanages rather than wait for beans to sprout as that only takes a few hours. This day we brought in 20kg worth of rambutan. They are such grateful people.

 

[durianrider]

And dont get cheeky Juan or current UFC fighter Mac Danzig will pay you a visit..

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[oncehadhair]

I know from first-hand experience how easy it is to ride and race well with no meat in your diet. I've been a vegetarian (not vegan) for 16 years, during which time I went from being a Cat 5 to Cat 2 between '96 and 2000. In my last full season of racing, my typical week consisted of Mon-off, Tues-race on the velodrome, Wed-fast group ride (Wednesday Worlds ), Thur-race on the velodrome, Fri-off, Sat and Sun multiple races. I was racing so much I barely had time to train, and I did it all on vegetarian diet with no greater health problems than anyone else.

A better example is my best friend, who was a vegan during the same time period and has multiple Illinois state championships to his name, everything from road to cyclocross to team time trial. That was on a very strict vegan diet, no eggs or dairy, not even foods like pancakes that had milk in the recipe!

Meat is overrated, don't believe the hype funded by the agricultural mega-corp's. They're just as bad as BP and Exxon.

So how do you know that you and your friend wouldn't have performed better and had less health problems on a diet that included meat when you don't have a control for your *experiment*?

 

[durianrider]

Thats a great question. I will answer with my experience. I battled chronic fatigue when I first started racing back in 97. It got real bad in 2000 and I had to stop racing all together. I was in dire straights and catching a bus 8km to work. (now Im running ultramarathons and winning 24hr solo xc races and racing Cat 1). I met this health freak that suggested I try a vegetarian diet for a few days. My Vo2max went from 67ml/kg to 78ml/kg and at the same weight. This was measured at the AIS.

Instantly my digestion felt lighter and I had more mental clarity and less heavy gut feeling. I wanted to take it to the next level so I went vegan. That was 9 years ago and I havent been sick since, except for being bitten by a centipede on the face!, but even that healed up in 36hours.

My bloodtests are way better now with increases in testosterone, hb, hct, iron (I had anemia as a meat eater), potassium, calcium, zinc and decrease in wbc, LDH, cholesterol and triglycerides.

I see people going vegan and not doing well. The reason why is they eat heaps of fatty greasy vegan junk food. Fatty greasy junkfood is healthier if its vegan but its still not healthy.

The science out there these days is undeniable. Look at the sites Ive provided in previous posts on this thread. The number of pro athletes going vegan/vegetarian increases each month.

This is the main question I get asked.

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[Juan Pelota]

The problem with anecdotal stories like the one of Durian's vegan experience is that he went from a SH!T western diet, that probably didn't get the required servings of fruits and veggies a day, plus lots of sugary and processed crap and replaced those calories by eating more fruits and veggies.

While a vegan diet is pretty bad for you, it can be better than a ****ty fast food , american diet.

I wonder if Durian would ever be willing to try the paleolithic diet and see how it makes him feel. Prob not..wouldn't be good for his business.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-book/the-primal-blueprint/

I knew a girl who went vegan for two years. She had meat for the first time and said it was like having an orgasm in her mouth.

anyway..since his argument seems to be, let's post pictures ..I guess I'll just have to post pictures of me with my very thin, runway model, meat eating girlfriend..

and I'll even give it a witty caption...like..

"Please eat meat Durian, so that 8 year old girl won't beat you in arm wrestling"

or

"Please eat meat Durian, so that a stick figure of you doesn't look like a portrait"

 

[durianrider]

Show us a recent photo of you holding your bike in your left hand with no shirt on..

The lady in the picture, she eats meat, but how come she looks anorexic? Good thing the guy in the picture is holding her up, she looks like she is about to faint. I thought you said that eating meat gives you massive muscles. The chick looks like a stick and the dude in the picture doesnt look that big to me. Not much pec size and has a bit of a muffin top in those tight fanboy shorts.

I was a personal trainer when I changed my diet. I had chronic fatigue on and off. I was eating the healthiest diet I knew at that time. Then I read some medical journals from the sites I have mentioned in previous posts and took it to the next level.

Id rather be super fit and reduce my risk of heart disease, colon cancer, obesity and stroke than just 'super fit'. Ive had 3 friends under age 30 that were involved in cycling that died from heart failure in the last few years. Some people on this forum know who I am talking about.

Best of health to you Juan.

Joel Kirkilis from http://www.veganstrength.org

 

[durianrider]

As for Mark Sission, his carb phobia is the reason he hasnt trained a single elite athlete..low carb diets dont support athletic performance due to glucose exhaustion they create. Dr McDougall has coached many olympians, Dr Graham, Dr Bernard,Dr Ornish, Dr Esselstyn etc..they have all worked with household names in pro sport. They all promote a high carb,low fat, vegan diet, rich in fruits and veg.

But hey, like they say, there is a sucker born every second and as someone that works in the health and fitness industry,I see it all the time with these quack experts putting up bogus photos and selling lies n fries to ignorant customers.

You cant beat a good healthy high carb, low fat diet rich in fruits and vegetables. Everyone knows that.

Its funny Mark Sisson is like a Dr Atkins that doped up to get a few ripped ab shots and just keeps em circulating for years when actually he has a bit of a gut thesedays judging by his last live presentation a co-worker of mine went to.
Not that having a muffin top is a crime, but if your promoting dietary advice..then how can we have excess body blubber that the 'diet' was meant to prevent. But the general population dont question what is encouraged like I do. I get the inside scoops working in this industry via running one of the biggest health forums on the net. It is my job to pick these quack diet promoters apart and expose em for the subjective, confusing and dangerous information they provide. Unfortunately there is a lot of scammers out there when it comes to pills, potions and 'get ripped quick' diets.

Quote from Mark Sisson about cheating regularly on a 'paleo diet' : I understand completely. Even Dr. Cordain says that Paleo eaters should cheat some. People who don't cheat some wind up eventualy binging.

Great, the diet is so restrictive and low in carbs that its followers have to cheat to feel like they are succeeding..and Sisson sells em a host of supplements to make up for the deficiencies his crazy diet causes..doesnt make sense does it? But it makes a lot of dollars!!

Here is a 'food pyramid' that Cordain and co have in their book 'paleo diet for athletes'. Its got no grains and minimal carbs from fruits and veg. What next contador dropping his banana/jam sandwich/gels etc and gettting vino to get a horse steak to put in his musette, for 'energy'. No more carb feasts on a 'paleo diet', all you can have is a banana and a piece of brocolli and then off to the pub for a few steaks to get your calories. Even co-author, Joe Friel eats over 70% of his total calories from carb despite the book being a 'low carb, high fat' diet book. Joe Friel is a genius coach, but when it comes to nutrition, he misses the boat.

And here we have a vegan food pyramid. Looks like a lot more fun, less grease,more quality carbs and variety to me.