Of the top 20 right now, who do you believe is NOT doping?
I so want to believe in Garmin and VdV.
I so want to believe in Garmin and VdV.
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slow-twitch said:Of the top 20 right now, who do you believe is NOT doping?
I so want to believe in Garmin and VdV.
slow-twitch said:Of the top 20 right now, who do you believe is NOT doping?
I so want to believe in Garmin and VdV.
slow-twitch said:Of the top 20 right now, who do you believe is NOT doping?
I so want to believe in Garmin and VdV.
Alpe d'Huez said:First real climbing day, so we'll have to see how they recover, and who can keep it up. I'd guess Wiggins and maybe Sastre are cleaner. Brad is likely to get dropped in the days to come, just like he did in the Giro. Sastre, I don't know.
BigBoat says Wiggins is a fake and jacked. I don't buy it. Not saying I'm sure the guy is whistle clean, just that out of everyone doing well right now, if I had to put stock in one guy, it would be Brad. I also expect him to finish over an hour behind in Paris.
It should be pretty obvious which team is doped to the gills. Several, actually.
nah, they are on less. If that is cleaner. But if a proportion of them are not completely clean, in any greater numbers, this is ambiguous. I dont think they are any cleaner in this interpretation.Cobblestones said:Garmin's VdV? I somehow doubt it. I think the French are mostly cleaner. But then again, you won't find them in the top 20 usually (and those who make it seem definitely dodgy).
BroDeal said:I would not pick VDV because of his performance last year....
benlondon said:It's the other way round. VDV has managed to emerge from 'domestique-ity' with a bit of extra self-belief & because the rest of the peleton is a hell of a lot cleaner now. As we saw on stage 7 clean riders like Wiggins & VDV can do a lot better in the tour now than they could 5 years ago.
Alpe d'Huez said:Good point on Menchov. Not sure what reserves he's got left in the tank from whatever last fill up, and how much he's burnt, but he's got to be running on fumes. If he comes into Paris over an hour back like I expect Wiggins, you might be right.
blackcat said:wow, Milram are clean now except for Gerdemann, fat chance you get that kid riding clean.
Ciolek was super in 2007. He just blew everyone's doors off in the Deutschland Rundfahrt field sprints. Then he won an uphill sprint aftera 500 metre altitude ascent last year in Germany. Have never seen versatility like that. He also came about 3rd in the 3km prologue.
This year he is $hit.
That was my point on Menchov. I'd be willing to accept he got "scared straight" when the shjt started to hit the fan the week before the Tour. Not that he was "clean" at the time. But I think you got my drift.Hayden Roulston said:Let's define first what a clean rider is... If you use products before the Tour such as Testosterone or some Steroids etc. i.o. to recover from very hard training, you might be able to do Tour without taking anything in those 3 Weeks... But that's not clean riding isn't it?
Alpe d'Huez said:First real climbing day, so we'll have to see how they recover, and who can keep it up. I'd guess Wiggins and maybe Sastre are cleaner. Brad is likely to get dropped in the days to come, just like he did in the Giro. Sastre, I don't know.
BigBoat says Wiggins is a fake and jacked. I don't buy it. Not saying I'm sure the guy is whistle clean, just that out of everyone doing well right now, if I had to put stock in one guy, it would be Brad. I also expect him to finish over an hour behind in Paris.
It should be pretty obvious which team is doped to the gills. Several, actually.
benlondon said:It's the other way round. VDV has managed to emerge from 'domestique-ity' with a bit of extra self-belief & because the rest of the peleton is a hell of a lot cleaner now. As we saw on stage 7 clean riders like Wiggins & VDV can do a lot better in the tour now than they could 5 years ago.
BroDeal said:VDV performance does not fit with the other Garmin riders, many of whom have the same background as VDV. Tommy D., the Z-Man, David Millar, etc. are not what they used to be. It cannot be that VDV was not doping before and now that everyone is cleaner he stands out. Even forgetting about Postal and CSC, VDV rode for Liberty Seguros one year.
BigBoat said:Wiggins climbs with guys that are 30 pounds lighter than him and jacked to 55-59% blood doping. Wiggins does this totally clean with superior training, and a rice diet. "Never tested positive!" Lance Armstrong is clean too, so is Contador!
Contador doesnt need to dope because he's a little 130 pound climber. Their all clean. Doping makes you go slower. Therefore, it should be legalized because it slows down dumb riders who are dumb enough to dope
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