Does anyone doubt Cadel is clean?

[2beeDammed]

seems that Cadel polarizes people pretty quickly, but honestly with all this doping news going round is any one prepared to say that Cadel is anything but clean?

 

[Chuffy]

Just to save anyone else the trouble...

Of course he isn't, he's a professional cyclist and GT contender, he must be doping, they all are, you can't compete without a 'program', Cancellara has invisible stabilisers on his bike so he can corner faster on descents and I've got a friend who has a mate who once bought fish and chips from a bloke who said he'd seen the whole of Garmin on the same train as his wife's sister, who'd just been on holiday to Tenerife. Etc...



For my money, one of the guys least likely, but I could be wrong.

 

[hrotha]

Pretty much everybody doubts Evans is clean. Even his biggest fans allow for the possibility that he dopes, even though they think he probably doesn't. It's a fact of the sport we learned the hard way through the late 90s and 00s - no one is above suspicion, all GT contenders are extremely likely to be doping.

 

[auscyclefan94]

As much as i like to think he is clean, you can never be sure about anyone.

 

[pabryan]

Well Valverde had a dog, Evans has a dog. The links are clear for all to see....

 

[bobbins]

I think he's clean now, not sure about his time at Mapei but look at last year. Consistent all year and pretty concistent over the past few seasons. If he was on the program he'd have won the tour against Sastre.

 

[moi123]

Some people are expressing themselves here as if they are doping experts knowing all...

Cadel Evans is nothing more than an average cyclist, dope won't change that.
So who cares if he dopes?

 

[andy1234]

Some people are expressing themselves here as if they are doping experts knowing all...

Cadel Evans is nothing more than an average cyclist, dope won't change that.
So who cares if he dopes?

Thats right, he's just a world champion, multi GT podium finishing, classic winning, average rider.

 

[luckyboy]

I think he's clean now, not sure about his time at Mapei but look at last year. Consistent all year and pretty concistent over the past few seasons. If he was on the program he'd have won the tour against Sastre.

I don't know why he would've doped at Mapei aged 23, but he isn't doping now contesting the GC of Grand Tours

I think you that everybody in contention for the GC of three-week tours has to be doped. That is at least the top 10, or thereabouts.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Pretty much everybody doubts Evans is clean. Even his biggest fans allow for the possibility that he dopes, even though they think he probably doesn't. It's a fact of the sport we learned the hard way through the late 90s and 00s - no one is above suspicion, all GT contenders are extremely likely to be doping.

As much as i like to think he is clean, you can never be sure about anyone.

you guys are both right. But contrary to moi123 we care because we care about cycling and want to see it become totally clean. That might be pie in the sky or a pipe dream, but we have to set the bar somewhere, and totally is where it has to be. Otherwise the one or two who cheat will cause others to cheat... and so the cycle would continue.

 

[The Hitch]

Pretty much everybody doubts Evans is clean. Even his biggest fans allow for the possibility that he dopes,

ACF has been very impressive recently with his open minded approach to Australian cyclists and evem a bit to Evans (though not too much about BMC) he may be Evans biggest fans but there are far more close minded ones. I remember Marcus arguing that Cadel is clean because everyone knows hes clean

If he wasnt clean, why would people say that he is, hence he must be clean. Yes, it sounds stupid to me too, but the guy honestly believes it. As do Andrew fanboys about Schlecklet.

 

[Benotti69]

i doubt he is.

is it possible to win a GT in the current cycling pro peloton without doping?

i doubt it, but Aldo Sassi claimed Basso did and Sassi was Evans personal trainer.

Basso is linked to doping through Fuentes and also his family( his sister) though he never tested positive (famous phrase) so i believe Basso doped and under Sassi and therefore why not Evans.

 

[rolfrae]

i doubt he is.

is it possible to win a GT in the current cycling pro peloton without doping?

i doubt it, but Aldo Sassi claimed Basso did and Sassi was Evans personal trainer.

Basso is linked to doping through Fuentes and also his family( his sister) though he never tested positive (famous phrase) so i believe Basso doped and under Sassi and therefore why not Evans.

Was Basso working with Sassi at the time of his ET performances?

I'd like to believe that Evans is clean but I'd also like to win the lottery and that's not happened yet. Things that point towards Evans' cleanliness: the fact that he was an outsider and was overlooked for the Tour at T-Mobile, a team that had its own doping programme; that he trained with Sassi (who said last year he would vouch for Evan's integrity); that he seems to handle a full season rather than the narrow focus a la Armstrong and Schleck; finally, that he hasn't yet won a grand Tour!

But like many have said already, given recent events its hard to believe that a top GC contender could be dope free.

 

[Ferminal]

Problem with Evans is fading into the 3rd week of a GT.

That isn't a sign that he's clean, it could just be natural, or a bad program. It's possible that he's clean(er) than others.

 

[Benotti69]

Was Basso working with Sassi at the time of his ET performances?

I'd like to believe that Evans is clean but I'd also like to win the lottery and that's not happened yet. Things that point towards Evans' cleanliness: the fact that he was an outsider and was overlooked for the Tour at T-Mobile, a team that had its own doping programme; that he trained with Sassi (who said last year he would vouch for Evan's integrity); that he seems to handle a full season rather than the narrow focus a la Armstrong and Schleck; finally, that he hasn't yet won a grand Tour!

But like many have said already, given recent events its hard to believe that a top GC contender could be dope free.

Basso joined Discovery in 2007. so i imagine he was getting a Ferarri program or staying with Fuentes, then got done for links to Fuentes and a 2 year holiday.

But if you remember the liquigas train at last years Giro(2010), reminiscent of a certain blue train. his first GT after suspension and he wins. Not bad for a guy on mineral water

 

[Anonymous]

As much as i like to think he is clean, you can never be sure about anyone.

I have a lot of respect for you posting this. Everyone here knows how much of a fan you are, and for you to open up and admit a doubt you have shows character many here do not have when it comes to their favorite rider. Kudos.

I think he probably does, but I also believe he is closer to clean than most of the people at the sharp end of a GT. That may sound like a cop-out, but I believe he is the type of rider who would ride completely clean if he could. There are many others who have no conscience what so ever about their cheating.

 

[Anonymous]

ACF has been very impressive recently with his open minded approach to Australian cyclists and evem a bit to Evans (though not too much about BMC) he may be Evans biggest fans but there are far more close minded ones. I remember Marcus arguing that Cadel is clean because everyone knows hes clean

If he wasnt clean, why would people say that he is, hence he must be clean. Yes, it sounds stupid to me too, but the guy honestly believes it. As do Andrew fanboys about Schlecklet.

I can't imagine anyone believing Schlecklet is clean. Yea, there may be some who will say that they believe it, but deep down they know the truth.

 

[flicker]

Evans, great rider, handsome charming, top drawer. Totally professional in every manner, intelligent a clean competitor. Great fotos of him in pro cycling when he beat Scarponi on a cold cold day I think the Tirreno-Adriatico. One thing that tells me he is clean is how he suffers in the hard bits. He looks absolutley thrashed at the end of hard races, as if he has given more than 100 percent.

 

[alpine_chav]

Having followed him from when he was a mtber I always thought he was juiced. However as stated elsewhere he fades in the 3rd week of GTs. Maybe he only dopes during training for recovery but not in actual races?

 

[rolfrae]

Evans, great rider, handsome charming, top drawer. Totally professional in every manner, intelligent a clean competitor. Great fotos of him in pro cycling when he beat Scarponi on a cold cold day I think the Tirreno-Adriatico. One thing that tells me he is clean is how he suffers in the hard bits. He looks absolutley thrashed at the end of hard races, as if he has given more than 100 percent.

Remember how we all said that it was a good sign that Bernie Kohl looked trashed at the end of the Alpe D'Huez stage? He wasn't so clean.

 

[Escarabajo]

Problem with Evans is fading into the 3rd week of a GT.

That isn't a sign that he's clean, it could just be natural, or a bad program. It's possible that he's clean(er) than others.

+1.

I'll go with this post. His power numbers usually decline over a three week period. I have seen that even during his peak years. The problem is that being 100% clean is a very hard thing to do if you are contending for GT's. Doping in cycling in analogy would be equivalent to the different types of methods of breaking the law. Some people like to steal banks and some others just like to go over the speed limit. I'd say he is cleaner than other GT contenders but not clean 100%.

 

[Anonymous]

Hes cleaner than some. As many have pointed out, in the third week he seems to deteriorate. But hes not clean, just cleaner (or less dirty)

 

[luckyboy]

I think he probably does, but I also believe he is closer to clean than most of the people at the sharp end of a GT. That may sound like a cop-out, but I believe he is the type of rider who would ride completely clean if he could. There are many others who have no conscience what so ever about their cheating.

This is all very hypothetical now, but I think that if you're going to dope then you might as well go all the way - If he dopes but is still a bit cleaner than others, then he's kinda ****ing on his own bonfire.

Unless he's just overly cautious.

Anyway, like I said, I think he does, and it doesn't matter if it's a little or a lot, it's still doping.

 

[Finbouy]

I kinda think he's clean, purely for the fact that he fades a lot. To me that says he's tipped over the edge of energy and has nothing left in the tank.. Great rider that he is.. these elements of his riding just give glimpses of who/what he is.

Still love to watch last years Giro on the Strade Blanche, him and Vino.. just amazing hard riding, dead as, still killing it..

 

[Benotti69]

what's the difference between doping a little, doping and doping a lot? doping is doping.

if you're gonna dope, dope to win or to be there at the end, otherwise what is the point for a GT contender to dope?