Doping hypocrisy

[carton]

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No, the weight was including the bike and equipment. If bike, shoes, helmet etc. weights 8.3kg, then the W/kg for the cyclist would be 4.5 W/kg in the example.

Right. Good point. But FTFY.

 

[Netserk]

Oh, lol, I somehow thought it was 400W...

 

[fasthill]

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5. 1999: 17:50 Laurent Jalabert 22.54 km/h

Pure climber this one.

 

[simoni]

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1999:

2014:

2017:

Pretty sure that that is going to be a factor in why this year's times are so much faster than 2014's. The big surprise therefore is how comparatively slow the 2007 MTT was, but then post-Puerto may be a factor in that, and I don't remember what the weather was like that day.

Pretty sure that context is important here. 2014 stage time was 50% longer than this year. (c4h30 vs c3h). Obviously the 2014 profile was significantly tougher too. No idea how much of a difference this makes but it certainly can't hurt!

Not sure how things played out in 1999/2014 but one thing that struck me was that the speed was pretty high towards the top and there was a fairly large group. Certainly seems like a drafting impact there that you wouldn't benefit from solo.

 

[42x16ss]

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1999:

2014:

2017:

Pretty sure that that is going to be a factor in why this year's times are so much faster than 2014's. The big surprise therefore is how comparatively slow the 2007 MTT was, but then post-Puerto may be a factor in that, and I don't remember what the weather was like that day.

Pretty sure that context is important here. 2014 stage time was 50% longer than this year. (c4h30 vs c3h). Obviously the 2014 profile was significantly tougher too. No idea how much of a difference this makes but it certainly can't hurt!

Not sure how things played out in 1999/2014 but one thing that struck me was that the speed was pretty high towards the top and there was a fairly large group. Certainly seems like a drafting impact there that you wouldn't benefit from solo.

1999 had no tactics involved whatsoever. It was just everyone in wholesale damage control chasing Pantani.

 

[GraftPunk]

I wonder if the thinner oxygen at higher elevations affects the aerodynamics in any meaningful way.....

 

[DanielSong39]

For some reason the majority of the people seem to find motor doping and political doping more distasteful than good old fashioned drugs. That's how I see it, at least.

 

[Electress]

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For some reason the majority of the people seem to find motor doping and political doping more distasteful than good old fashioned drugs. That's how I see it, at least.

I'd agree. Pretty much describes me. However much I don't like drugs, they do still require someone to train and perform on the day. Motors - well, pretty much you have to stay on your bike. As for the politics - that is worst of all for me - a bunch of corrupted, self serving hypocrits, playing with people's lives for their own ends. Young athletes being treated like pawns, and all the while TPTB pretending they care about the sport and preaching about the inspiration of sport to a gullible public.

 

[DanielSong39]

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...better chance that motors could be eliminated

...zero chance of eliminating PEDs

.......corruption? who knows....................

Mark L

I think the chances of eliminating PEDs are far higher than eliminating corruption. The chances of eliminating PEDs? You just gave the answer.

 

[Forever The Best]

I couldn't find a thread for Gaimon so gonna post this here: (I didn't have the time to post it and probably no one posted it on this forum because he deleted his tweet)
https://twitter.com/vamosalberto/status/936578481185542144

The hypocrisy of his tweets makes me sick. He bashes Contador, Cancellara and Mancebo but he praises Froome with some kind of weird logic that can't be explained.

 

[silvergrenade]

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I couldn't find a thread for Gaimon so gonna post this here: (I didn't have the time to post it and probably no one posted it on this forum because he deleted his tweet)
https://twitter.com/vamosalberto/status/936578481185542144

The hypocrisy of his tweets makes me sick. He bashes Contador, Cancellara and Mancebo but he praises Froome with some kind of weird logic that can't be explained.

Because he believes Froome is clean. :razz:
Proven Clenbuterol cheat Contadope should be bashed.
When a rider has 20 blood bags removed from his body to be used later for doping he should be bashed. Period.

 

[brownbobby]

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Just watched this (Pantani @ Oropa, Youtube), probably for the first time in over a decade, as someone put up the link on PRR. That was stoopid. These guys were sprinting up those climbs. Literally freewheeling into hairpins, sprinting out of corners, dodging the motorbikes, like this was the freaking Poggio. It's obscene.

Whoever is thinks what we have now isn't cleaner than this is either blissfully ignorant or boldly hypocritical.

Couldn't agree more; for some reason whilst searching for something on you tube the other night i came across some old Lance video's, stuff i havent cared to watch for many, many years. The way they were all (not just Lance) literally sprinting up climbs for prolonged periods was ridiculous. I'd forgotten just how obscene it was back in that era.

Regardless of what times are being achieved by riders of the current generation, you just cannot fail to see the huge difference in how climbs were being ridden back then and now. Even the most 'Alien' of performances in recent years (Froome on Ventoux/PSM etc) look normal compared to the Lance era.

I don't believe the sport is anywhere near completely clean yet, but whatever is still going on its certainly dramatically different to how it used to be, and i think modern equipment, training, diet etc; must be playing at least some part in maintaining the speeds we're still seeing being achieved today.

 

[Forever The Best]

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I couldn't find a thread for Gaimon so gonna post this here: (I didn't have the time to post it and probably no one posted it on this forum because he deleted his tweet)
https://twitter.com/vamosalberto/status/936578481185542144

The hypocrisy of his tweets makes me sick. He bashes Contador, Cancellara and Mancebo but he praises Froome with some kind of weird logic that can't be explained.

Because he believes Froome is clean. :razz:
Proven Clenbuterol cheat Contadope should be bashed.
When a rider has 20 blood bags removed from his body to be used later for doping he should be bashed. Period.

Eh...

 

[Angliru]

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I couldn't find a thread for Gaimon so gonna post this here: (I didn't have the time to post it and probably no one posted it on this forum because he deleted his tweet)
https://twitter.com/vamosalberto/status/936578481185542144

The hypocrisy of his tweets makes me sick. He bashes Contador, Cancellara and Mancebo but he praises Froome with some kind of weird logic that can't be explained.

Because he believes Froome is clean. :razz:
Proven Clenbuterol cheat Contadope should be bashed.
When a rider has 20 blood bags removed from his body to be used later for doping he should be bashed. Period.

I couldn't find the crying emoticon but in the absence of it, I will always see all of the future posts coming under the name silvergrenade accompanied by the forum limit of crying emoticons! :lol: