Doping In Athletics

[ontheroad]

Ruth Chepngetich chopped nearly two min off marathon WR with her 2h09:57 today. The old record was 2h11:53 from last year.

Running starting to catch up?

That record is up there with Flo Jo's 100m record for being one of the most ludicrous. Yet both are deemed legitimate according to the record books.

 

[BigCoward]

That record is up there with Flo Jo's 100m record for being one of the most ludicrous. Yet both are deemed legitimate according to the record books.

If we are talking ridiculous the 400m/800m are surely the worst. At least people have been close to flo jo since.

 

[Invicituz]

Opinion: Ruth Chepngetich’s Chicago Marathon performance is a historic red-flag moment in the sport of athletics:

Opinion: Ruth Chepngetich's Chicago Marathon performance is a historic red-flag moment in the sport of athletics

Opinion: Ruth Chepngetich's Chicago Marathon performance is a historic red-flag moment in the sport of athletics

athleticsillustrated.com

Three-time Olympian and two-time fourth-place finisher in the Athens and Sidney Olympic Marathons Jon Brown wrote on social media, “This performance is criminality pure and simple. Cheating and stealing from other athletes, defrauding events and damaging the viability of elite running events. If anyone wants to see how ridiculous this performance is just compare it to equivalent performances on the iaaf scoring table, 2:09:56 is worth 1339 points.”

 

[Tim Cahill]

Kenyan parliament have been reading the clinic, they aren't happy and are demanding an apology from us. We must send a nominated clinic envoy down to sort this out, where's Hog when you need him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846592225213636636

 

[Nick2413]

Kenyan parliament have been reading the clinic, they aren't happy and are demanding an apology from us. We must send a nominated clinic envoy down to sort this out, where's Hog when you need him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846592225213636636

From Athletics Kenya:

STATEMENT ON THE UNWARRANTED SCRUTINY OF RUTH CHENGETICH'S CHICAGO
MARATHON VICTORY Once again. Athletics Kenya would like to congratulate Ruth Chepngetich for her remarkable achievement at the Chicago Marathon. By winning the title for the third time and setting a new World Record, Ruth has earned her status as one of the finest athletes
of our time. Her familiarity with the course, having won this prestigious marathon on two previous occasions in 2021 and 2022, played a pivotal role in her third victory, showcasing her
tactfulness and athletic mastery.
Ruth's ascent as a star in Kenya's athletics scene has been nothing short of extraordinary. From her World Championships win in 2019 to her consistent performance on the global stage over 5 years, she has set a high standard for others to follow. She now joins the league of other Kenyan Women World record holders including Faith Kipyegon, Beatrice Chebet, and Beatrice Chepkoech among others. Her latest triumph is a continuation of
this stellar career, despite missing the 2024 Paris Olympics games due to illness. In any case, many world records were broken this year, and to single her out is utterly unfair. It is therefore disheartening to witness some sections of the media casting unwarranted doubt on her achievements. Such aspersions, made without due process, undermine not only her efforts but the integrity of the sport. It is important to note that Ruth, like all athletes in major competitions, underwent multiple anti-doping tests, both pre-race and post-race. These are standard procedures in events of this magnitude, and
only after all results are verified will her record be officially ratified. Ruth's achievement, while impressive, is not without precedent. Marathon records have been broken by even wider margins, affirming that her feat is well within the bounds of
possibility for an athlete of her calibre. Her consistent performance over the years stands as testament to her dedication and
excellence in the sport. We urge the media and the global community to give Ruth the respect she deserves and protect athletes from harassment. Let her celebrate this hard-earned victory and let us
acknowledge the years of hard work and discipline that have brought her to this moment. Unfounded doubts and unfair treatment have no place in this proud moment for Kenya
and for Ruth.

 

[Invicituz]

Tokyo Marathon runner-up Tsehay Gemechu gets 4-year ban for suspected blood doping:

Tokyo Marathon runner-up Tsehay Gemechu gets 4-year ban for suspected blood doping

Former Tokyo Marathon runner-up Tsehay Gemechu has been banned for four years because of suspected blood doping.

apnews.com

 

[Tricycle Rider]

From Athletics Kenya:

STATEMENT ON THE UNWARRANTED SCRUTINY OF RUTH CHENGETICH'S CHICAGO
MARATHON VICTORY Once again. Athletics Kenya would like to congratulate Ruth Chepngetich for her remarkable achievement at the Chicago Marathon. By winning the title for the third time and setting a new World Record, Ruth has earned her status as one of the finest athletes
of our time. Her familiarity with the course, having won this prestigious marathon on two previous occasions in 2021 and 2022, played a pivotal role in her third victory, showcasing her
tactfulness and athletic mastery.
Ruth's ascent as a star in Kenya's athletics scene has been nothing short of extraordinary. From her World Championships win in 2019 to her consistent performance on the global stage over 5 years, she has set a high standard for others to follow. She now joins the league of other Kenyan Women World record holders including Faith Kipyegon, Beatrice Chebet, and Beatrice Chepkoech among others. Her latest triumph is a continuation of
this stellar career, despite missing the 2024 Paris Olympics games due to illness. In any case, many world records were broken this year, and to single her out is utterly unfair. It is therefore disheartening to witness some sections of the media casting unwarranted doubt on her achievements. Such aspersions, made without due process, undermine not only her efforts but the integrity of the sport. It is important to note that Ruth, like all athletes in major competitions, underwent multiple anti-doping tests, both pre-race and post-race. These are standard procedures in events of this magnitude, and
only after all results are verified will her record be officially ratified. Ruth's achievement, while impressive, is not without precedent. Marathon records have been broken by even wider margins, affirming that her feat is well within the bounds of
possibility for an athlete of her calibre. Her consistent performance over the years stands as testament to her dedication and
excellence in the sport. We urge the media and the global community to give Ruth the respect she deserves and protect athletes from harassment. Let her celebrate this hard-earned victory and let us
acknowledge the years of hard work and discipline that have brought her to this moment. Unfounded doubts and unfair treatment have no place in this proud moment for Kenya
and for Ruth.

I'd actually feel some sympathy if the Kenyans had addressed the doping issue instead of fervently defending Chepngetich, given the precedent I think it's a fair question.

 

[troll hunter]

If we are talking ridiculous the 400m/800m are surely the worst. At least people have been close to flo jo since.

According to the IAAF scoring calculator the women's 800m world record is one of the least impressive performance. The three most doped world record: 1) Chepng'etich 2) McLaughlin 3) Griffith Joyner

 

[snipeheem]

According to the IAAF scoring calculator the women's 800m world record is one of the least impressive performance. The three most doped world record: 1) Chepng'etich 2) McLaughlin 3) Griffith Joyner

Mclaughlin is just crazy..

 

[troll hunter]

Mclaughlin is just crazy..

Yeah, it is very messed up that people are free to cheat in that part of the world.

In general, women's running world record times are 111-112% of the men's world record. Kratochvílova's 800m world record is one of the worst world records, her time is 112.25% of the men's world record. McLaughlin's world record is just 109.64% of the men's best.

 

[Sciatic]

Yeah, it is very messed up that people are free to cheat in that part of the world.

In general, women's running world record times are 111-112% of the men's world record. Kratochvílova's 800m world record is one of the worst world records, her time is 112.25% of the men's world record. McLaughlin's world record is just 109.64% of the men's best.

Interesting way to evaluate women’s times. Is it taking into account that the gap between men and women may be greater in some events than others because of body types and things like recovery. To go to a field event for an possible example, one would think there might be a bigger “natural” gap between men’s and women’s performances in the high jump because of the difference in center of gravity?

Regardless, hard to think Koch’s 400 isn’t among the 3 most remarkable women’s marks —because hardly anyone gets close to it!

 

[troll hunter]

Interesting way to evaluate women’s times. Is it taking into account that the gap between men and women may be greater in some events than others because of body types and things like recovery. To go to a field event for an possible example, one would think there might be a bigger “natural” gap between men’s and women’s performances in the high jump because of the difference in center of gravity?

Regardless, hard to think Koch’s 400 isn’t among the 3 most remarkable women’s marks —because hardly anyone gets close to it!

I only checked the track runs. I thought it was a good basis as the difference between the men's and women's records is roughly the same percentage. Most are between 111% and 112%. There are some weak records such as 800m over 112%, and as you mention some crazy strong like Koch 110,62%, 10000m is also similarly strong. But McLaughlin is by far the closest to the men.

 

[snipeheem]

I only checked the track runs. I thought it was a good basis as the difference between the men's and women's records is roughly the same percentage. Most are between 111% and 112%. There are some weak records such as 800m over 112%, and as you mention some crazy strong like Koch 110,62%, 10000m is also similarly strong. But McLaughlin is by far the closest to the men.

If mclaughlin starts to focus on 400 flat she can break that Koch record

 

[Finn84]

Hurdles have different heights so those records aren't 100% comparable. The same applies to all throwing events as women have lighter equipment.

 

[Sciatic]

Hurdles have different heights so those records aren't 100% comparable. The same applies to all throwing events as women have lighter equipment.

Forgot about the hurdle heights. I can understand the reason for 110H but feels like the men’s and women’s should be the same height for the 400H

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Fifth athlete disqualified from one of dirtiest races in Olympic history

Tatyana Tomashova has lost her London 2012 1500m silver medal after she became the fifth finalist to be disqualified for retrospective doping offences

www.theguardian.com

Dobriskey, who came 10th against all these dopers remembered the hurt she felt after the race.

“I wanted to cry and I needed to get out of the stadium. It should have been a joyous moment in front of my home crowd but I felt humiliated. I just wanted the ground to swallow me up. I felt I had to apologise for my performance to my family and friends. I felt I’d let people down.”

 

[troll hunter]

If they say that the 4:10 time for the women's 1500m final is the dirtiest in the history of the Olympics then it must be true

 

[Rob5091]

Not quite up to the Men's 100m in Seoul (6 disqualiifed) but 5 is "remarkable".

 

[BullsFan22]

Fifth athlete disqualified from one of dirtiest races in Olympic history

Tatyana Tomashova has lost her London 2012 1500m silver medal after she became the fifth finalist to be disqualified for retrospective doping offences

www.theguardian.com

Dobriskey, who came 10th against all these dopers remembered the hurt she felt after the race.

Why should we believe that she was clean?

 

[Sciatic]

Why should we believe that she was clean?

Ah, grasshopper, you know why we are expected (by mainstream media) to believe that.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Not quite up to the Men's 100m in Seoul (6 disqualiifed) but 5 is "remarkable".

There are 6 athletes in the Seoul 100m who have been disqualified for doping offences at some point in their career, but afaik only one (Johnson) was disqualified from that specific race; here we are talking 5 athletes disqualified from a specific race.

 

[Unchained]

There are 6 athletes in the Seoul 100m who have been disqualified for doping offences at some point in their career, but afaik only one (Johnson) was disqualified from that specific race; here we are talking 5 athletes disqualified from a specific race.

Curious, I don't know the number, but are you saying that there is a 10,12 lane race course and 6 athletes were disqualified? And again I don't know, but are you saying that 6 were disqualified from total number of athletes entered from all countries? Finals and qualifying included? Or just final race?

 

[AmRacer]

Curious, I don't know the number, but are you saying that there is a 10,12 lane race course and 6 athletes were disqualified? And again I don't know, but are you saying that 6 were disqualified from total number of athletes entered from all countries? Finals and qualifying included? Or just final race?

Libertine writes 'at some point in their career'

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Curious, I don't know the number, but are you saying that there is a 10,12 lane race course and 6 athletes were disqualified? And again I don't know, but are you saying that 6 were disqualified from total number of athletes entered from all countries? Finals and qualifying included? Or just final race?

Six of the eight finalists in the Seoul 100m have served bans, been sanctioned for doping offences or otherwise been confirmed to have doped.

Ben Johnson is the only one to be disqualified from that specific race, but:
- Carl Lewis tested positive for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine and phenylpropanolamine at the 1988 Olympic trials but was exonerated in suspicious circumstances
- Linford Christie tested above the accepted limit for pseudoephedrine in the 200m heats but was allowed to compete under the benefit of the doubt. He would then test positive for ephedrine in 1994 and nandrolone in 1999.
- Calvin Smith has, to the best of public knowledge, nothing against his name.
- Dennis Mitchell tested positive for unnatural levels of testosterone in 1998, arguing that five bottles of beer and sex with his wife explained the level.
- Robson Caetano da Silva has, to the best of public knowledge, nothing against his name.
- Desai Williams may not have tested positive, but when his coach Charlie Francis was indicted in the Ben Johnson scandal, Williams was named as one of the athletes he supplied PEDs to.
- Ray Stewart did not test positive as an athlete but was revealed to have abused HGH during his athletic career in 2008, and subsequently was banned for life from the sport in 2010 for supplying PEDs to numerous athletes he coached.