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'the truth'? Hmmmmm. Ah ... me nah got dat.
Too much time standin in the western canon, mate.
blackcat said:
'the truth'? Hmmmmm. Ah ... me nah got dat.
Too much time standin in the western canon, mate.
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This is not just a Russian thing. All countries. What an idiot.
Never thought D!ck pound would be part of the "club". He is protecting IAAF and condemning them at the same time. Depends on who he likes and dislikes.Jagartrott said:
This is not just a Russian thing. All countries. What an idiot.
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"TJonathan Gault wants to ask:
Mr. Pound, in an August 2015 interview with Victor Conte in the Japan Times, he claims that he gave you advice on how to catch athletes cheating by doing carbon isotope ratio tests from their old frozen samples. He wanted you to go back and test the big names like Usain Bolt, Yohan Blake, Carmelita Jeter, etc" from earlier in the 2000s. He says you brought this suggestion to WADA and they rejected your proposal saying, "Are you kidding me? You think we want to destroy the entire Olympic movement?"
So, did this actually happen and if so, how can we have faith that those at top want to bring down cheats even at the expense of the "Olympic movement."
This was just totally glossed over by D!ck Pound. He and Coe are part of the "players club". Or "payers club".
This was a question from letsrun basically pound acts like this never happened.Benotti69 said:
"TJonathan Gault wants to ask:
Mr. Pound, in an August 2015 interview with Victor Conte in the Japan Times, he claims that he gave you advice on how to catch athletes cheating by doing carbon isotope ratio tests from their old frozen samples. He wanted you to go back and test the big names like Usain Bolt, Yohan Blake, Carmelita Jeter, etc" from earlier in the 2000s. He says you brought this suggestion to WADA and they rejected your proposal saying, "Are you kidding me? You think we want to destroy the entire Olympic movement?"
So, did this actually happen and if so, how can we have faith that those at top want to bring down cheats even at the expense of the "Olympic movement."
This was just totally glossed over by D!ck Pound. He and Coe are part of the "players club". Or "payers club".
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I was suspicious of why the report had to come out in two parts and why the delay on the organisational part. Giving time and space for the penny to drop with those who refused to think they could not carry on covering up (aka Davies), and to motivate others to negotiate properly? Obviously Coe and Pound have come to an agreement. All that PR fluff stuff backing him, what the heck was that about ? I just wonder quite how many drafts of those conclusions there have been. This was a great opportunity to to have a real good clear out and make some big changes. A decade on and the same problems will still be in place - because the officials who think "the image of the sport must come first" will still be in post, even if the names have changed.
Glenn_Wilson said:
I was suspicious of why the report had to come out in two parts and why the delay on the organisational part. Giving time and space for the penny to drop with those who refused to think they could not carry on covering up (aka Davies), and to motivate others to negotiate properly? Obviously Coe and Pound have come to an agreement. All that PR fluff stuff backing him, what the heck was that about ? I just wonder quite how many drafts of those conclusions there have been. This was a great opportunity to to have a real good clear out and make some big changes. A decade on and the same problems will still be in place - because the officials who think "the image of the sport must come first" will still be in post, even if the names have changed.
thehog
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In short;
1. Russia is the only country doping.
2. Lord Coe is the man to stop them from doping.
sniper said:
In short;
1. Russia is the only country doping.
2. Lord Coe is the man to stop them from doping.
*** Pound is a ***.
Who watches the watchmen........
IAAF president Seb Coe accepts athletics' world governing body covered up doping but says he had no knowledge of it.
Sounds like Coe and others (sponsors Nike etc) 'chipped' in and made Pound an offer he couldn't refuse.
Who watches the watchmen........
IAAF president Seb Coe accepts athletics' world governing body covered up doping but says he had no knowledge of it.
Sounds like Coe and others (sponsors Nike etc) 'chipped' in and made Pound an offer he couldn't refuse.
I had a queasy feeling last night when I heard that Coe was going to be physically present. Made me suspect that he knew Pound was going to go soft on him.
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There is so much at stake here.
I hope the press go down on Coe hard.
Seppelt I hope still has some things up his sleeve.
I don't doubt this for a second.Benotti69 said:
There is so much at stake here.
I hope the press go down on Coe hard.
Seppelt I hope still has some things up his sleeve.
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Thankfully, he is speaking out in what small way he can.
Shambolic.
A possible pivotal moment in anti-doping whitewashed away.
sniper said:
Thankfully, he is speaking out in what small way he can.
Shambolic.
A possible pivotal moment in anti-doping whitewashed away.
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Coe being there had a 'cinematic' feel. Reminds me off Godfather II where Michael Corleone brings the brother from Sicily to sit in the court room to stop Pentangeli from spilling.........
arcus said:
Coe being there had a 'cinematic' feel. Reminds me off Godfather II where Michael Corleone brings the brother from Sicily to sit in the court room to stop Pentangeli from spilling.........
Pound told us to expect "bombshells"..... I didn't realize that one of them was the revelation that "Seb is great" 
Like many, I'm disappointed with the tone of that pressor. I've always viewed Pound as one of the "good guys" when it comes to anti-doping. Part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he knew Coe was going nowhere, and felt trashing him was going to do more harm than good to the sport. I'm still struggling with how positive he was, though. I think he could at least have been neutral on the issue.
Like many, I'm disappointed with the tone of that pressor. I've always viewed Pound as one of the "good guys" when it comes to anti-doping. Part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he knew Coe was going nowhere, and felt trashing him was going to do more harm than good to the sport. I'm still struggling with how positive he was, though. I think he could at least have been neutral on the issue.
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Don't wanna claim I saw this blossoming friendship between *** P. and Seb coming, but still I guess I would have been even more surprised if *** P. had really gone down hard on Coe.
there have been other moments in the recent past where I found *** P. to be too diplomatic in relation to (anti)doping. Don't remember exactly in which context.arcus said:Pound told us to expect "bombshells"..... I didn't realize that one of them was the revelation that "Seb is great"
Like many, I'm disappointed with the tone of that pressor. I've always viewed Pound as one of the "good guys" when it comes to anti-doping. Part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he knew Coe was going nowhere, and felt trashing him was going to do more harm than good to the sport. I'm still struggling with how positive he was, though. I think he could at least have been neutral on the issue.
Don't wanna claim I saw this blossoming friendship between *** P. and Seb coming, but still I guess I would have been even more surprised if *** P. had really gone down hard on Coe.
If you regard Pound as a chicken, the present incumbent, Reedie, is virtually an enabler. Moreover, WADA itself had long been compromised by the malign influence of mafiosi like Verbruggen and Blatter. While they sat on WADA committees and moved in political circles, did they have placemen too, who pulled more technical strings behind the scenes as we see in the IAAF?
Anyone can express their opinion.
What I do have a problem with is people who have latched themselves on to a sport they have no/little interest in.
Will they watch the Diamond League meetings or the recent European cross country Championships like I did where I saw the Irish womens team getting bronze.
This new found love among particularly cycling fans shows them up for nothing more than a bunch of scandal lovers.
I couldn't care less about what doping other sports get up to in sports I have no interest in.
What I do have a problem with is people who have latched themselves on to a sport they have no/little interest in.
Will they watch the Diamond League meetings or the recent European cross country Championships like I did where I saw the Irish womens team getting bronze.
This new found love among particularly cycling fans shows them up for nothing more than a bunch of scandal lovers.
I couldn't care less about what doping other sports get up to in sports I have no interest in.
thehog
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I'm not sure I really expected Pound to decapitate the IAAF ... I would have preferred he did, but then that's my antipathy towards and mistrust of Coe. On reflection, maybe Pound has been canny for the long term. Rather than leave a power vacuum at the top of the IAAF, he has effectively said to Coe...right, it's your ball now, you are clear about what we know and what we all think... you have a chance to re-build your personal (cesspit) reputation by putting the IAAF house in order. Don't feck it up.
In a way that is better.
If Coe had been more or less forced to resign by Pound .... and Pound clearly held that card, Coe could have skulked off into the shadows and abdicated all responsibility ... muttering "I've been made a scapegoat" etc. Now, he has to go and swim in the tide of sewerage and take responsibility and ownership of the whole mess. Yep, I definitely like that better. Especially as he really will have to affect change .... he has no choice.
You can bet that there'll be a lot of people queuing up to endorse him, hoping that he doesn't throw them under the bus.
I'm now just counting down to the moment when he thinks that putting PR in charge of anti-doping at the IAAF is cracking idea
In a way that is better.
If Coe had been more or less forced to resign by Pound .... and Pound clearly held that card, Coe could have skulked off into the shadows and abdicated all responsibility ... muttering "I've been made a scapegoat" etc. Now, he has to go and swim in the tide of sewerage and take responsibility and ownership of the whole mess. Yep, I definitely like that better. Especially as he really will have to affect change .... he has no choice.
You can bet that there'll be a lot of people queuing up to endorse him, hoping that he doesn't throw them under the bus.
I'm now just counting down to the moment when he thinks that putting PR in charge of anti-doping at the IAAF is cracking idea
People have taken a keen interest in this because the behaviour exhibited in the IAFF is echoed in so many 'professional' sporting organisation.
Watched BBC breakfast today, and the story is being gradually weighted around Pound's endorsement of Coe. My guess is Coe will throw some people under the bus and be hailed (by the BBC at least) as the saviour of athletics. More Baronships inbound.
Watched BBC breakfast today, and the story is being gradually weighted around Pound's endorsement of Coe. My guess is Coe will throw some people under the bus and be hailed (by the BBC at least) as the saviour of athletics. More Baronships inbound.
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In a way, yes. Better the devil you know, as well, I suppose...and I'd like to give Pound the benefit of the doubt and believe that he is acting in the best interests of sport.
But my issue is that, IF that is the case, Pound has done it in such a way that has undermined trust in the leadership of WADA. Pound and WADA are the wactchmen; the wardens. If trust in him and his organisation is lost, then the entire anti-doping effort is significantly impaired.
armchairclimber said:
In a way, yes. Better the devil you know, as well, I suppose...and I'd like to give Pound the benefit of the doubt and believe that he is acting in the best interests of sport.
But my issue is that, IF that is the case, Pound has done it in such a way that has undermined trust in the leadership of WADA. Pound and WADA are the wactchmen; the wardens. If trust in him and his organisation is lost, then the entire anti-doping effort is significantly impaired.
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