Doping in MMA/UFC - Fighter Says 85-95 Percent of Fighters Use PEDs

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Overeem 2006


Overeem 2012

You must know it is all about marginal gains.

 

[King Boonen]

this is my point.

It resolves the sampling error, or an individual outlier or unique example.

And entire sample from 80 v 2010. It will show the difference to your eyes. And check Silv's head. Obvious hgh user.

Bigfoot has acromegaly though doesn't he?

 

[blackcat]

Bigfoot has acromegaly though doesn't he?

but bigfoot always had bigfoot.

its the change

the Bond villains, the wrestlers like Andre the Giant, always had acromegaly as pathology.

But check a wrestler like The Edge. gotta compare to early.

And indeed, the lighting, the natural atrophy of intrafracial tissue, white tissue red (muscle) tissue can change naturally. EG. cyling 20thousand miles, is very catabolic when ten pro seasons. See the 80s pros and their hard work, hard weathered faces. Jacky Durand

 

[TylerDurden1]

If anyone's clean, Anderson is. But physique doesn't really tell the whole story. He might be using testo occasionally too for example (although that almost isn't even doping anymore in MMA considering how many guys have TUEs for it).

I agree, but Anderson is competing unbelievably well for 37 year old.

In my opinion he's clean and the greatest fighter to ever live.

 

[AcademyCC]

I agree, but Anderson is competing unbelievably well for 37 year old.

In my opinion he's clean and the greatest fighter to ever live.

I'd have to agree with Silva being clean. The way he went after Sonnen in the pre fight press conference for his doping conviction made me think he has nothing to hide.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I agree, but Anderson is competing unbelievably well for 37 year old.

In my opinion he's clean and the greatest fighter to ever live.

This guy was also not too shabby

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

is any top MMA guy is clean, its Silva. Always got the mpression Randy Couture was likely clean as well.

But having no super physique doesn't mean clean. Royce Gracie was kind of puny, and yet he once tested off the chart positive.

 

[TylerDurden1]

is any top MMA guy is clean, its Silva. Always got the mpression Randy Couture was likely clean as well.

But having no super physique doesn't mean clean. Royce Gracie was kind of puny, and yet he once tested off the chart positive.

well that was later on in his career, and he was fighting Matt Hughes when Matt was in his prime.
I don't blame him, Gracie still got demolished though.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I think you're utterly missing the point of what MMA is, due largely to your boxing bias.

It's not supposed to be modified boxing. It's Mixed Martial Arts, and includes elements of those arts that are not only legitimate but have pedigrees as impressive as boxing.

I have absolutely no idea how this is a response to anything I've said. I said nothing whatsoever about the "pedigrees" or "legitimacy" of any sporting code.

Boxing is different from other combat sports in that it's the only one which had its evolution driven by the need to appeal to spectators. Over its long history, all of the grappling elements were taken out not because it makes the sport "better" in some objective sense, and certainly not because it makes it a "better" way to fight, but because it makes the spectacle more appealing to spectators. Boxing then went on to be the absolutely dominant spectator combat sport for well over a century (and it remains the biggest, although no longer unchallenged).

Grappling is, by its nature, very technical and relies on difficult techniques which are not easy to follow or appreciate unless you have a relatively high level of knowledge or experience. For that reason - and not because grappling is illegitimate or lacks pedigree or anything similar - it poses a problem in a spectator sport. The need to appeal to spectators led to wildly exaggerated grappling as non-competitive spectacle (pro wrestling), to spectator sports without grappling (boxing) and to grappling sports which are not mass spectator sports.

MMA is an attempt to make a combat sport with a lot of grappling into a mass spectator sport. It's doing reasonably well at the moment, thanks to skilful promotion, successfully marketing it as "real fighting", and thanks to the disgraceful way in which boxing is run. But in the longer run, it is going to have a persistent problem as a spectacle, not as a sport, with grappling.

 

[spalco]

Boxing is different from other combat sports in that it's the only one which had its evolution driven by the need to appeal to spectators.

I don't understand how that doesn't apply to MMA as well. It's a comparatively "new" sport, but it was entirely commercial from the start. There's practically no public infrastructure for MMA, much less than boxing in fact, which thanks to being an Olympic sport has way more institutional legitimacy. MMA depends completely on its fans.

 

[TylerDurden1]

is any top MMA guy is clean, its Silva ....

lets not forget this guy right here, clean as a whistle

 

[spalco]

lets not forget this guy right here, clean as a whistle

Well, not clean clean exactly.
link

 

[TylerDurden1]

Well, not clean clean exactly.
link

Nice!

i completely forgot he drinks urine.
pics attached

 

[Cyivel]

The use of PED's and the acceptance of TUE's in MMA is a big and growing issue for the UFC.

Although It's basically an IQ test, enough guys are failing to make it a concern.

Enjoyed noted Bacne sufferer Rory MacDonald agree to VADA testing for his fight against BJ Penn (who I'm confident is clean) and then suffer a unusual training injury that rules him out of the fight a few days later.

 

[TubularBills]

Dana White has quickly changed his tune about Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT).



http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/6/32...-white-changes-tune-on-trt-now-says-its-great

Fair play to Roy Nelson for speaking out against Dana White on twitter.



http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/7/32...-roy-nelson-is-not-happy-with-dana-whites-new

Isn't it odd?

... that the egotistical arrogant wannabees are now coming to the forefront to praise their false god?

Juan p[elota. [redacted with heavenly juice]

Sir '40' feeling like a teenager, the new CORVETTE [Redacted].

 

[FitSsikS]

Dana says it's legal.

From a 'sporting' perspective I guess as long as you stay below the state's set limit it is.

A normal T/E is considered 1/1.

Of course there are exceptions to the norm with various percentages of the public exceeding that ratio.

So the Nevada state athletic commission has set their limit to 6/1.

That way you won't test positive if you are one of the rare freaks out there who's T/E approaches 6/1.

This is just like the 50 hemocrit level for cyclists.

In other words you're crazy not to shoot for the excepted limit.

Hmm...I wonder what T/E level the average UFC pro would test at? Methinks purty dern close to 6/1.

 

[TylerDurden1]

Dana says it's legal.

From a 'sporting' perspective I guess as long as you stay below the state's set limit it is.

A normal T/E is considered 1/1.

Of course there are exceptions to the norm with various percentages of the public exceeding that ratio.

So the Nevada state athletic commission has set their limit to 6/1.

That way you won't test positive if you are one of the rare freaks out there who's T/E approaches 6/1.

This is just like the 50 hemocrit level for cyclists.

In other words you're crazy not to shoot for the excepted limit.

Hmm...I wonder what T/E level the average UFC pro would test at? Methinks purty dern close to 6/1.

Overeem tested 14:1 on a random test.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/5/2928264/alistair-overeem-t-e-ratio-14-1-testosterone-drug-test-ufc-146

 

[FitSsikS]

Overeem tested 14:1 on a random test.

He found Nevada's limit of 6:1 to be unacceptable.

Not to mention for him personally, a tad unattainable.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

How does TRT even come close to being acceptable in sport?

White's excuse of, "as you get older, your test drops so they're really not doing anything wrong" is superlatively lame.

You know what? You get old. And slow. And weak.

Suck it up, buttercup. That's life...

I don't even know how 4:1 t/e ratios can be accepted, let alone 6:1.

 

[FitSsikS]

How does TRT even come close to being acceptable in sport?

White's excuse of, "as you get older, your test drops so they're really not doing anything wrong" is superlatively lame.

Oh ya now he's a believer.

Click - I bet he benches even more now that believes (fast forward to 2:35).

 

[Cyivel]

He found Nevada's limit of 6:1 to be unacceptable.

Not to mention for him personally, a tad unattainable.

Amazingly given what happened with him, it seems as if the Nevada commission might be willing to hear his application for a license earlier than the 9 months he was suspended for and he could be fast tracked into a title shot days after his suspension ends.

The whole saga around him since the end of last year is one of the worst examples of how to handle a drugs case that I can recall.

If he becomes champion it could come back to bite the UFC in the *** though.

Edit: I should clarify, he was told he couldn't appeal for a license for 9 months which expires in middle of December and he wants to fight on a show at the end of December, so the UFC would have to take the risk of promoting a fight for an unlicensed fighter and hope he got it or the main event would go down and it would need to be changed less than 2 weeks out.

It now seems as if they may hear the application before the 9 months expires so UFC will know whether he can be on the show or not.

Not good for the image of the commission.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Oh ya now he's a believer.

Click - I bet he benches even more now that believes (fast forward to 2:35).

Why's he using a closed grip? Amateur...

 

[TylerDurden1]

The use of PED's and the acceptance of TUE's in MMA is a big and growing issue for the UFC.

Although It's basically an IQ test, enough guys are failing to make it a concern.

Enjoyed noted Bacne sufferer Rory MacDonald agree to VADA testing for his fight against BJ Penn (who I'm confident is clean) and then suffer a unusual training injury that rules him out of the fight a few days later.

BJ Penn is clean for sure, Hopefully more fighters wills start using VADA, its the only way i see the sport getting cleaned up.

Rory "bacne" McDonald is on something for sure, GSP must be giving him some of the good stuff, the guy is unbelievably strong for his weight class.

 

[slowspoke]

Overeem tested 14:1 on a random test.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/5/2928264/alistair-overeem-t-e-ratio-14-1-testosterone-drug-test-ufc-146

Victor Conte on Overeem - My opinion. Overeem was using huge amounts of testosterone for competitive advantage
https://twitter.com/victorconte/status/234583410293751809

Also says the highest T/E Radio he ever saw was 82:1 from a Pro bodybuilder

82:1

 

[Centurion]

Just posting this link here. It has already been posted in the General Forum.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/...uffers-broken-skull-wins-by-knockout/823672/1