Doping in other sports?

[blackcat]

What are those?

peptides and other steroids that mimic testo

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

peptides and other steroids that mimic testo

Could you name some? The only peptides I'm aware of release GH.
Which steroids aren't detectable?

 

[martinvickers]

speaking out against other dopers is en vogue.
don't let that fool you.
it's the new 'I never tested positive'.
athletes adapt.

so objectively: what are the odds of a clean irish guy winning a 50k race at the worlds against doped athletes?

That's just palpable nonsense.

Omerta works because it protects everybody -don't rat on me, I won't rat on you. Omerta wasn't a bl**dy 'fashion. It was a system, a logical and mutuallly reasserting system.

If you call out dopers, those who dope have absolutely no reason not to call you out back. Thats' no basis for effective doping. Will you get the odd hypocrit? sure; but the idea it's a 'fashion' among dopers is just blind prejudice.

Sometimes, sniper, it's so flaming clear, you WANT there to be doping, it gives you fuel. That's very saddening...

 

[gooner]

Sniper is in a set default position mode where everyone is doping.

It's the same nonsense he spouted about Dan Martin being a doper after his Tour stage win.

 

[mikeoneill]

That's just palpable nonsense.

Omerta works because it protects everybody -don't rat on me, I won't rat on you. Omerta wasn't a bl**dy 'fashion. It was a system, a logical and mutuallly reasserting system.

If you call out dopers, those who dope have absolutely no reason not to call you out back. Thats' no basis for effective doping. Will you get the odd hypocrit? sure; but the idea it's a 'fashion' among dopers is just blind prejudice.

Sometimes, sniper, it's so flaming clear, you WANT there to be doping, it gives you fuel. That's very saddening...

paula radcliffe and carl lewis says hi........


congrats to mr heffernan btw...not casting any aspersions there


congrats to

 

[martinvickers]

paula radcliffe and carl lewis says hi........


congrats to mr heffernan btw...not casting any aspersions there


congrats to

Hi back. What's your point - I said there were always going to be few hypocrites - that clearly covers Lewis. which given he was a grade A *** from the getgo is not news to anybody.

Presumably the point on Radcliffe is her German doctor friend, no? I thought she was quite open about that, Kittel style?

 

[the sceptic]

So in a sport where probably everyone is doping suddenly this british guy comes along and wins clean. Wonder where ive heard that one before

 

[mikeoneill]

Hi back. What's your point - I said there were always going to be few hypocrites - that clearly covers Lewis. which given he was a grade A *** from the getgo is not news to anybody.

Presumably the point on Radcliffe is her German doctor friend, no? I thought she was quite open about that, Kittel style?

i'd say she was on a lot more than activigen myself


jos hermens ....he had a pop at NOP science project

at london 2012


didn't cause him any difficulty

 

[martinvickers]

So in a sport where probably everyone is doping suddenly this british guy comes along and wins clean. Wonder where ive heard that one before

Heffernan's not British. Seriously, sceptic, have you been drinking?

 

[gooner]

Paula is really hiding her doping here by declaring her association with Muller-Wohlfahrt. Bayern Munich and Germany also do a poor job of hiding their doping having him on the bench. Oh yeah, David Moyes publicly said he was doping Jack Rodwell when he said in a press conference he was sending Rodwell to him to get treated for his persistent injury problems.

 

[martinvickers]

i'd say she was on a lot more than activigen myself

Based on?

jos hermens ....he had a pop at NOP science project

at london 2012


didn't cause him any difficulty

Sorry, what do you mean by difficulty?

 

[sniper]

Sniper is in a set default position mode where everyone is doping.

It's the same nonsense he spouted about Dan Martin being a doper after his Tour stage win.

i didn't say he is a doper.
i said i suspect him of being one.
same with the 50k runner.
he may be clean.
i doubt he is.

don't twist my words, gooner.

 

[sniper]

That's just palpable nonsense.

Omerta works because it protects everybody -don't rat on me, I won't rat on you. Omerta wasn't a bl**dy 'fashion. It was a system, a logical and mutuallly reasserting system.

If you call out dopers, those who dope have absolutely no reason not to call you out back. Thats' no basis for effective doping. Will you get the odd hypocrit? sure; but the idea it's a 'fashion' among dopers is just blind prejudice.

Sometimes, sniper, it's so flaming clear, you WANT there to be doping, it gives you fuel. That's very saddening...

It's completely irrelevant whether or not I WANT there to be doping.
There is and there's gonna be doping, period. Sorry to ruin your evening there.
If you haven't been living in a cave last coupla years, you must have noticed that a high percentage of people we call "winners" are actually cheats.

What fuels me is cheats and cheating being exposed.
That turns me on, indeed. Which is why I read the Clinic. What's your excuse?

 

[martinvickers]

It's completely irrelevant whether or not I WANT there to be doping.

No, it's not. It entirely goes to plausiblity by way of motive.

There is and there's gonna be doping, period. Sorry to ruin your evening there.

Where have I said otherwise? Strawman.

If you haven't been living in a cave last coupla years, you must have noticed that a high percentage of people we call "winners" are actually cheats.

What is a high percentage? 100%. 70%. 25% 10%? Meaningless without context and evidence, and typical hyperbolic distraction.

What fuels me is cheats and cheating being exposed.
That turns me on, indeed. Which is why I read the Clinic. What's your excuse?

And there's the plausibility fail. You WANT various high profile athletes to be cheats (and I note, gievn your treatment of Kittel re Sayer, you plainly only really care about the high profile, and preferably 'anglo''s being cheats - which rather hints at other motives), basically because you get off on the Schadenfreude.

There is absolutely no ethic in that position. Just parasitical glee.

And yet you then expect your judgement to be taken seriously?

That's not a crusader's position. That's the position of a leech.

 

[sniper]

..

this one is not among your best posts, mv.
let me pick it apart

No, it's not. It entirely goes to plausiblity by way of motive.

Strawman.

your middle name.

and typical hyperbolic distraction

what am I distracting from? the fact that most winners are also cheaters?
wanna deny that? if so, say so.

That's not a crusader's position. That's the position of a leech.

I'm not a crusader.
more like an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

 

[martinvickers]

Seriously, Sniper - that's what you've got by way of an answer?

That's just pitiful.

 

[sittingbison]

take a chill pill you lot and stop attacking each other unless someone wants a holiday - and we are all only just back from the enforced three week vacation.

Play the ball and not the man....as I'm sure David Moyes is instructing

 

[Galic Ho]

Paula is really hiding her doping here by declaring her association with Muller-Wohlfahrt. Bayern Munich and Germany also do a poor job of hiding their doping having him on the bench. Oh yeah, David Moyes publicly said he was doping Jack Rodwell when he said in a press conference he was sending Rodwell to him to get treated for his persistent injury problems.

He uses actoveigin and hemopure on his patients.

He's a done and dusted doping expert who has no qualms cutting corners. His list of clients is a who's who of very iffy and questionable sporting stars.

Sure he's total legit and only prescribes full natty recovery programs.

You probably thought Wenger was joking too when he said players Arsenal have scouted have very bad blood scores!

 

[Galic Ho]

i tell mum "use the force luke" i) you need to know the wheelbase and turning circle, then ii) you "use Force" and Yoga will park it for you, or Obi Wan.

Some of the new Mercedes I was looking at apparently can park themselves! WTF! Maybe all those Volvo driving soccer mums will be fine...spend the $$$, car parks itself. They're making it too easy I tell you.

Isn't Heffernan, the guy who won the 50k today, possibly the most gruelling event in athletics, the same guy who spoke out last year. Maybe this discipline is getting cleaner.

The Aussie in bronze. Jarred Talent. He has been very consistent. A few of the Russian's who were dominating, have been removed from the sport for doping. Then it looked cleaner. Not saying it is, but the Aussie guy has been consistently on the podium for years.

It is walking isn't it? How dirty can it be? Oh that's right, Jane Saville, on her way to Gold in Sydney, disqualified coming up to the stadium. Who is her husband when she had career best form? Ask JV...he fired the guy.

 

[blackcat]

take a chill pill you lot and stop attacking each other unless someone wants a holiday - and we are all only just back from the enforced three week vacation.

Play the ball and not the man....as I'm sure David Moyes is instructing

Club Med? if you give me a business class airfare, im there

 

[Alphabet]

Get off the road then. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but given I lived in Bathurst for years, yeah...lots of bad drivers around.

It's simple route learning. You run on autopilot. It's a habit and the neural pahtways have formed long ago from junior racing. Racers know how to do all these things. Reverse parking is the same. Men are actually worse than women in tests. Women hands down beat men at reverse parking for license tests. However, switch the location, conditions and CAR and men can compensate. Studies have shown that womens passing rate goes from 80 something percent down to 20 something. Men's drops a bit, but is still high.

History has always been my forte. I have a really good memory. Driving and parking are second nature. You don't have to think about them, it just happens. Well for me it does. The G-Forces in racing are the hardest part. Most people would physically crack before they mentally cracked racing.

Some people can just do it. It's what they were born to do. Natural affinity. Just like cycling. Some people are naturals on a bike and make it look effortless. Then there are the classless and formless gits, like Froome.

Be fair now, I can reverse park just fine, I'm just concerned about failing it in my driving test because I don't follow the exact technique.

 

[King Boonen]

take a chill pill you lot and stop attacking each other unless someone wants a holiday - and we are all only just back from the enforced three week vacation.

Play the ball and not the man....as I'm sure David Moyes is instructing

Depends where you send us. If it's Coventry I'm not interested

 

[Avoriaz]

Depends where you send us. If it's Coventry I'm not interested

Coventry only came 7th in the recent Crap Towns poll. Hemel Hempstead was the winner....

http://www.craptownsreturns.co.uk/index.php

 

[King Boonen]

Coventry only came 7th in the recent Crap Towns poll. Hemel Hempstead was the winner....

http://www.craptownsreturns.co.uk/index.php

Yes, but it was more the idiom "sent to Coventry" that I was referring to.

 

[red_flanders]

Interesting HGH story from NFL tight end Christian Fauria: http://www.latimes.com/sports/footb...l-hgh-20130815,0,4163302.column#axzz2c2t1s0VS