Doping in other sports?

[sniper]

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Bayern Munich's doping, sorry medical doctor quits.............

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32347136

see the soccer thread.
the German newspapers are all over the place glorifying this dude as we speak. 'He who stood up against Guardiola', Wonderdoctor, Godfather, Guru...
somebody pass me a bucket quickly.
There's this minor story involving Mueller Wohlfahrt recommending the use of actovegin, which the German press keep using in order to conveniently deflect away from more urgent questions about real PED abuse. Very similar to how the pro-Sky press have been using the cortisone and tramadol to distract away from all the elephants in the room. "Look at us being critical and scrutinizing", is the message, meanwhile collectively sticking their heads in the sand wrt real PED abuse.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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somebody pass me a bucket quickly.
...

I know a doc who can help with that... Just got a lot of new availability... How do you feel about veal, BTW?...

 

[poupou]

So, in NBA when you have been tested two times you can use HGH wothout risks.

How can they be so stupid? Ach of course that announcement is a licence to dope.

 

[neineinei]

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So, in NBA when you have been tested two times you can use HGH wothout risks.

How can they be so stupid? Ach of course that announcement is a licence to dope.

Yes, it is a license to dope and a liscense to say look, we are testing, NBA is clean.

1. The detection window of the HGH test is so small it is a miracle anyone has ever been caught.
2. NBA has never had any blood testing before, and the HGH test is done on blood, so there is nothing to retest.
3. They announce in April that they will start testing in the fall.
4. Everyone will get three tests a year, two in-season and one out-of-season. When you've had your second test in-season or your one test out-of-season, you are free to start your HGH doping. You are guaranted there will be no more tests until change of season. And to only test once in-season and skip the out-of-season test, just to counter this, is not an option, because they all have to have 3 tests pr. year. To keep it fair, I'm sure.
5. They have been negotiating since 2011 to allow for this magnificent system to be introduced.

 

[blackcat]

they used the peptides, GHRP {growth hormone releasing peptide), they use this growth hormone releasing peptides, to stimulate their own endogenous GH. much harder to spot that just taking exogenous GH, which has a very narrow window or half life. I think it is only a few hours after the injection, when it will show in the metabolites

the peptide or endogenous version, goodluck trying to spot this. I think they have been on this for years. not the normal GH, but the peptide version.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

So, in NBA when you have been tested two times you can use HGH without risks.

How can they be so stupid? Ach of course that announcement is a licence to dope.

Yes, it is a license to dope and a license to say look, we are testing, NBA is clean.

1. The detection window of the HGH test is so small it is a miracle anyone has ever been caught.
2. NBA has never had any blood testing before, and the HGH test is done on blood, so there is nothing to retest.
3. They announce in April that they will start testing in the fall.
4. Everyone will get three tests a year, two in-season and one out-of-season. When you've had your second test in-season or your one test out-of-season, you are free to start your HGH doping. You are guaranteed there will be no more tests until change of season. And to only test once in-season and skip the out-of-season test, just to counter this, is not an option, because they all have to have 3 tests pr. year. To keep it fair, I'm sure.
5. They have been negotiating since 2011 to allow for this magnificent system to be introduced.

but no chance will Lebron or Kobe test positive. they will either know when their tests are, or always come back negative.

my caveat is A-Rod. Like Shane Warne, he must have been a little bit too much of a b-stard for the authorities. Like Armstrong, sometimes, being a b-stard, will catch up to you, and it wont be swept under the rug.

 

[neineinei]

Two HGH postives announced the last days.

Major Leauge baseball player Andrew McKirahan tested positive for Ipamorelin, a human-growth hormone releasing peptide, in March.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ahan-reportedly-suspended-20150420-story.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/braves-andrew-mckirahan-suspended-80-games.html

Rugby League player James Lockwood was found positive for Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-2 (pralmorelin) and its metabolite after UK anti doping in January ordered a retest of a sample collected on 19 November 2014. The sample was originally found clean and reported so in December.

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/ukad-reports-first-sanction-for-hgh-peptide

 

[sniper]

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Two HGH postives announced the last days.

Major Leauge baseball player Andrew McKirahan tested positive for Ipamorelin, a human-growth hormone releasing peptide, in March.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ahan-reportedly-suspended-20150420-story.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/braves-andrew-mckirahan-suspended-80-games.html

Rugby League player James Lockwood was found positive for Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-2 (pralmorelin) and its metabolite after UK anti doping in January ordered a retest of a sample collected on 19 November 2014. The sample was originally found clean and reported so in December.

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/ukad-reports-first-sanction-for-hgh-peptide

ffs.
Lockwood is a semi-pro who just about pays the rent as a prop and second-rower.
UKAD 'sports integrity initiative'...mkay.

 

[neineinei]

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Two HGH postives announced the last days.

Major Leauge baseball player Andrew McKirahan tested positive for Ipamorelin, a human-growth hormone releasing peptide, in March.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ahan-reportedly-suspended-20150420-story.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/braves-andrew-mckirahan-suspended-80-games.html

Rugby League player James Lockwood was found positive for Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-2 (pralmorelin) and its metabolite after UK anti doping in January ordered a retest of a sample collected on 19 November 2014. The sample was originally found clean and reported so in December.

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/ukad-reports-first-sanction-for-hgh-peptide

ffs.
Lockwood is a semi-pro who just about pays the rent as a prop and second-rower.
UKAD 'sports integrity initiative'...mkay.

Sports integrity initiative is an independent website, reporting, independently, about sports integrity. I thought we liked that?

 

[sniper]

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Two HGH postives announced the last days.

Major Leauge baseball player Andrew McKirahan tested positive for Ipamorelin, a human-growth hormone releasing peptide, in March.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ahan-reportedly-suspended-20150420-story.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/braves-andrew-mckirahan-suspended-80-games.html

Rugby League player James Lockwood was found positive for Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-2 (pralmorelin) and its metabolite after UK anti doping in January ordered a retest of a sample collected on 19 November 2014. The sample was originally found clean and reported so in December.

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/ukad-reports-first-sanction-for-hgh-peptide

ffs.
Lockwood is a semi-pro who just about pays the rent as a prop and second-rower.
UKAD 'sports integrity initiative'...mkay.

Sports integrity initiative is an independent website, reporting, independently, about sports integrity. I thought we liked that?

totally my bad, i thought it was some subpage of the UKAD website.
I didn't know this site, looks good, thanks for the tip.

 

[The Hitch]

Fighting for integrity in sport is like fighting for vegetarianism at mcdonalds.

 

[blackcat]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i am vegan.

like the quote/epigram on vegans. they always tell you if they are.

im not btw

 

[slopoke]

Swimmers having fun. And the idea of Tyler's Twin takes on a new meaning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32405248

 

[Ortho2034]

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Swimmers having fun. And the idea of Tyler's Twin takes on a new meaning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32405248

"Every swimmer had a 'double' who had the same name on his or her passport. It was this double, who was based in the same hotel room…. that was tested after the event - without the officials ever noticing," he writes.

 

[mikeNphilly]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2439858-barry-bonds-felony-obstruction-of-justice-conviction-overturned?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Guess Barry is not a felon after all, good for him.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...e-pour-dopage_4620888_3242.html#xtor=RSS-3208
http://spe15.fr/bertrand-moulinet-un-nouveau-scandale-autour-du-dopage/
French race walker Bertrand Moulinet has announced that he has tested positive for FG-4592. He also admitted to have used it and waived the right to have the B sample tested. Can't find anyone to have tested postive for it before. Is it a new test?

Good article about FG-4592 from 2013: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/oxygen-in-a-pill-the-next-big-thing-in-sports-doping/

So how would taking FG-4592/ASP1517 as a performance-enhancing drug compare to taking EPO? It is potentially better in several ways. Not only can FG-4592/ASP1517 do almost everything EPO can do, clinical trials have suggested that it may have a better “safety profile” than EPO. More specifically, no heart or blood pressure issues have been observed in trials thus far. Furthermore, FG-4592/ASP1517 is available in a pill form and does not have to be injected into the body.

This new compound has another advantage too, relating to iron absorption.

HIF promotes the body’s own EPO secretion from the kidneys and other non-renal sources (e.g. the liver) and up-regulates EPO receptors in the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. HIF also activates factors that improve iron absorption from the gut, that mobilise iron from storage sites within the body, and that effectively transport all the needed iron to the bone marrow for red blood cell production. As such, FG-4592/ASP1517 has an advantage over EPO injections in that athletes need not also supplement themselves with iron at the same time as EPO administration.

 

[blackcat]

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http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...e-pour-dopage_4620888_3242.html#xtor=RSS-3208
http://spe15.fr/bertrand-moulinet-un-nouveau-scandale-autour-du-dopage/
French race walker Bertrand Moulinet has announced that he has tested positive for FG-4592. He also admitted to have used it and waived the right to have the B sample tested. Can't find anyone to have tested postive for it before. Is it a new test?

Good article about FG-4592 from 2013: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/oxygen-in-a-pill-the-next-big-thing-in-sports-doping/

So how would taking FG-4592/ASP1517 as a performance-enhancing drug compare to taking EPO? It is potentially better in several ways. Not only can FG-4592/ASP1517 do almost everything EPO can do, clinical trials have suggested that it may have a better “safety profile” than EPO. More specifically, no heart or blood pressure issues have been observed in trials thus far. Furthermore, FG-4592/ASP1517 is available in a pill form and does not have to be injected into the body.

This new compound has another advantage too, relating to iron absorption.

HIF promotes the body’s own EPO secretion from the kidneys and other non-renal sources (e.g. the liver) and up-regulates EPO receptors in the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. HIF also activates factors that improve iron absorption from the gut, that mobilise iron from storage sites within the body, and that effectively transport all the needed iron to the bone marrow for red blood cell production. As such, FG-4592/ASP1517 has an advantage over EPO injections in that athletes need not also supplement themselves with iron at the same time as EPO administration.

sounds like Froome dawg and Wiggins

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2439858-barry-bonds-felony-obstruction-of-justice-conviction-overturned?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Guess Barry is not a felon after all, good for him.

Look at the comments... American sport fans
Some of them are too naive, and take the latest judgment as proof he did all his absurd records clean while others didn´t get close to his numbers at much younger ages and full loaded.
Those with common sense know he is among the biggest and most obvious cheaters in sports history right in line with Horner, Armstrong, McGwire, Ben Johnson & Usain Bolt...

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Great article by Juliet Macur in the NYT today about Barry Bonds successful appeal of his conviction for obstruction of justice. She knows where to hit the target not only with him but with Cancer Jesus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/sports/baseball/oh-barry-bonds-how-could-we-have-doubted-you.html?emc=edit_tnt_20150423&nlid=60818045&tntemail0=y&_r=0

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Fighting for integrity in sport is like fighting for vegetarianism at mcdonalds.

After the Barry Bonds successful appeal, Alex Rodriguez back playing baseball, Armstrong doing phony "I care about the cancer victim" self promoting stunt planned before this years TDF, Vizier's SportAccord Bull$h!t , Verbruggen's egomania, FIFA giving the World Cup to Quatar in 2022, Astana's being accepted as a pro tour team, I agree whole heartedly.

Don't think I am coming around to your way of thinking too much because I still come from the show me the evidence school of thought, but you are bang on the money with this comment

PS You can get a salad at McDonalds over here at least.

 

[neineinei]

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/698427/1/1/50/ruim-4-procent-nederlandse-topsporters-aan-doping.html
Nederlands Dopingautoriteit study:

The agency asked fifty questions to 740 Dutch athletes of whom 291 responded (anonymously).
4,2% said they had doped
3,7% said they had been blood doping

Dutch athletes undergo on average of 2,5 doping tests pr year.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/698427/1/1/50/ruim-4-procent-nederlandse-topsporters-aan-doping.html
Nederlands Dopingautoriteit study:

The agency asked fifty questions to 740 Dutch athletes of whom 291 responded (anonymously).
4,2% said they had doped
3,7% said they had been blood doping

Dutch athletes undergo on average of 2,5 doping tests pr year.

Was there any evidence of what percentage of those who said they had doped were cyclists as opposed to other sports? I am also wondering if the sample of 291 could reasonably be applied to the intended sample of 741. My hunch is that many of the 450 who did not respond did not do so because they knew they had doped, but could not admit it to themselves even though it was anonymous.

I think human nature is such that it is hard to put down on paper and admit one was doping even with anonymity. It forces the human being to admit to their failures, foibles and cheating when it is easier to ignore it or rationalize it.

 

[neineinei]

Russian swimmer Natalia Lovtsova just came back from a ban, swimming faster than ever. There is some confusion to if she really was free to compete again. The Russians seems to have cut her ban without the international federation being informed or paying attention or something. She also blames her teammate for the ban. According to Lovtsova her teammate had put Methylhexaneamine in her own water bottle, and then Lovtsova and another teammate had sips of it.

http://www.swimvortex.com/natalia-l...-on-taking-a-sip-from-teammates-drink-bottle/

 

[neineinei]

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http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/698427/1/1/50/ruim-4-procent-nederlandse-topsporters-aan-doping.html
Nederlands Dopingautoriteit study:

The agency asked fifty questions to 740 Dutch athletes of whom 291 responded (anonymously).
4,2% said they had doped
3,7% said they had been blood doping

Dutch athletes undergo on average of 2,5 doping tests pr year.

Was there any evidence of what percentage of those who said they had doped were cyclists as opposed to other sports? I am also wondering if the sample of 291 could reasonably be applied to the intended sample of 741. My hunch is that many of the 450 who did not respond did not do so because they knew they had doped, but could not admit it to themselves even though it was anonymous.

I think human nature is such that it is hard to put down on paper and admit one was doping even with anonymity. It forces the human being to admit to their failures, foibles and cheating when it is easier to ignore it or rationalize it.

The short news article doesn't say anything about it. I guess Nederlands Dopingautoriteit are aware of the problems with getting honest answers to delicate questions, even under anonymety.

But the % of athletes admitting anonymously to doping is higher than the % of athletes caught by the testers. Maybe they should test their athletes more frequently.

 

[SeriousSam]

Bolt angry Gay didn't get a life time ban!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/32444471

"It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The message should be: 'If you cheat, you're going to be kicked out of the sport'," said Jamaican Bolt.

"You have to drive fear into athletes, to make them think about the consequences of their actions. If they're getting an easy penalty why would they care?"

Strong words. Clearly, he would never say this if he was doping. Right?