Doping in other sports?

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Poursuivant said:
ray j willings said:
Because IMO his take down of Armstrong was a waste of time and huge amounts of money.
We all knew lance was doping we all knew Flo Jo was doping . Its done Cycling no favours.
Before you or anyone else says Armstrong was a bully etc so are other top sportsman, so are politicians "far more dangerous" so are actors , so are teachers. so are policemen. That's not about doping that's about behaviour .Armstrong did not handled being top dawg as well as he should have but that's not a crime.

Have riders stopped doping since ?

Have athletes in general stopped doping ?

Did all those sponsors who mad a fortune out of Armstrong return their profits of from the sales of Trek bikes.
Oakley glasses, Nike clothing. No they Fu%%ing didn't.
The whole thing has been a disaster and complete waste of time and just shows the bullsh%% hypocrisy of the Governing sporting bodies and the personal witch-hunt of a federal agent who's only interest was to make headlines and serve his ego.

So even when you're not trying to troll, you are still trolling! Have a word with yourself! Are you going to bleat like this when Froome hands Contadors arse to him next month, and then gets a positive? No, you aren't because it's not your boy suffering.


Why don't you point out to me one thing in the above post "I posted" that is not true .How the fu%% is that Trolling ....Why don't you show the post to the mods and see if they ban me if that post is trolling, PUT UP OR SHUT UP .

You not in anyway trying to debate my post.

Its all about the fact that your egg faced git wizard "Froome" got taken to the cleaners last year by Bertie [just won the Giro :D ]
Your the one trolling ,,,,pathetic
 
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RayRay... :rolleyes:
Funny how you fight basically everybody here. I mean ofc Poursuivant is right. You are trolling. Even after being banned for exactly that. :eek: First you banged your head against the wall and countless users who tried to help you out of your Bolt-is-clean-mess-with-zilch-arguments.
And then you say you hate Tygart b/c he wasted money for nothing.
Let me enlighten you: Without Tygart, LA fanboys would still believe him was winning clean. The same as you do with Bolt. That´s the first important thing Tygart did: Opening eyes of blind believers.
More important: He showed the cheaters that no athlete is big enough to not go after.
Ofc I can imagine why you hate Tygart. You fear your hero (Bolt) will be caught by a brave guy like him... And now keep on trolling, and attack all those who try to enlighten you.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
RayRay... :rolleyes:
Funny how you fight basically everybody here. I mean ofc Poursuivant is right. You are trolling. Even after being banned for exactly that. :eek: First you banged your head against the wall and countless users who tried to help you out of your Bolt-is-clean-mess-with-zilch-arguments.
And then you say you hate Tygart b/c he wasted money for nothing.
Let me enlighten you: Without Tygart, LA fanboys would still believe him was winning clean. The same as you do with Bolt. That´s the first important thing Tygart did: Opening eyes of blind believers.
More important: He showed the cheaters that no athlete is big enough to not go after.
Ofc I can imagine why you hate Tygart. You fear your hero (Bolt) will be caught by a brave guy like him... And now keep on trolling, and attack all those who try to enlighten you.

Foxxy ,,get your facts right ...I got a weeks ban for baiting. Not trolling.

You keep accusing me or anyone of trolling when they have a different view than you.
THAT IS NOT TROLLING . THAT IS SOMEONE NOT AGREEING WITH YOU.
By your own standards you are a troll.
After calling me a troll you then want to make points and have a debate about my post and sprout a load self indulgent kak.....

When you are adult enough to respect someones opinion other than your own I will have a debate with you.
But until you show you can post like an adult instead of a angry baby I don't want to indulge in your self absorbed world
 
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Former Nike Oregon Project Coach "Not Surprised" by Doping Allegations John Cook worked with Oregon Project between 2003 and 2005: http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations
A must read
To give you an example: Dan Pfaff and I and some other coaches developed a program that we thought would be very advantageous to naturally raise testosterone by exercising, especially in women. Sometimes it’s very difficult to raise testosterone levels in very strong males. If you raise it one point, or half a point, in a woman, you’ve done a hell of a job. With this, combined with the running, we thought we could compete. I taught that program [of extensive non-running exercises] to Salazar.

I think if someone does that program, and then you add certain materials, they’re unbeatable. That’s one of the reasons I got out of the sport. We had a lot of success—with Shalane Flanagan, with Shannon and Leo. But I knew also in my heart that I couldn’t sustain it.
For instance, getting a Therapeutic Use Exemption for an inhaler can be very easily done. If I take you and run your ass up and down the stairs five or six or seven times, then take you into the doctor, you’re going to be asthmatic and fail the test, and you’re going to be allowed to take an inhaler.
 
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neineinei said:
Former Nike Oregon Project Coach "Not Surprised" by Doping Allegations John Cook worked with Oregon Project between 2003 and 2005: http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations
A must read
To give you an example: Dan Pfaff and I and some other coaches developed a program that we thought would be very advantageous to naturally raise testosterone by exercising, especially in women. Sometimes it’s very difficult to raise testosterone levels in very strong males. If you raise it one point, or half a point, in a woman, you’ve done a hell of a job. With this, combined with the running, we thought we could compete. I taught that program [of extensive non-running exercises] to Salazar.

I think if someone does that program, and then you add certain materials, they’re unbeatable. That’s one of the reasons I got out of the sport. We had a lot of success—with Shalane Flanagan, with Shannon and Leo. But I knew also in my heart that I couldn’t sustain it.
For instance, getting a Therapeutic Use Exemption for an inhaler can be very easily done. If I take you and run your ass up and down the stairs five or six or seven times, then take you into the doctor, you’re going to be asthmatic and fail the test, and you’re going to be allowed to take an inhaler.

Boy this is depressing! Getting TUEs for drugs you don't need to enhance performance is cheating. It appears this is standard stuff at NOP.

I wonder what USADA is doing in light of the information that has come out? There is nothing on their web site news section. Do they have the budget for a full scale investigation of Nike Oregon Project? What can they legally compel NOP to tell them or send them in terms of data and documents?

It just goes on and on like a metastasizing cancer. It seems like every athlete in the world takes their program right to the edge and some take it beyond, using micro-dosing or a TUE, and then scale back just before the event.

Is mandatory pretesting the answer - say 1 to 2 hours before the competition? Or do you have to go back further? Cook says rhetorically
Test [athletes] in the warm-up area? That’s not going to happen.
I am beginning to ask "Why not?"

John Cook's comment
I follow the sport without particularly much fervor or excitement because I know too much. When I was naïve, I liked it a lot more. I’ve been turned off pretty much.
This pretty much sums up my feelings about watching cycling and track & field these days. I wonder if the athletes, the UCI and the IAAF and the sponsors are listening?
 
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blackcat said:
Freddythefrog said:
jonathan edwards about 150lbs dripping wet could benchpress 330lbs i think.

a bit like Serena, but Serena usually just benchpresses her male partners post-coitus before alighting the new pack of Gauloises.

Well into Day 2 of trying to unsee this.
 
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skippythepinhead said:
blackcat said:
Freddythefrog said:
jonathan edwards about 150lbs dripping wet could benchpress 330lbs i think.

a bit like Serena, but Serena usually just benchpresses her male partners post-coitus before alighting the new pack of Gauloises.

Well into Day 2 of trying to unsee this.

yeah, Freddythefrog could acquire some decorum surely
 
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Zam_Olyas said:
theconversation.com/the-secret-to-usain-bolts-speed-may-lie-in-synchronicity-37897


The secret to Usain Bolt’s speed may lie in synchronicity



It's synchronif*****ngcity you fools.

The best part of the article? ... is down in the comments "This is junk science of the worst kind." Nuff said
 
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Freddythefrog said:
blackcat said:
ray j willings said:
Doping his still rife, Nicole Cooke told it like it is.

implicit in this, nicole cooke calls out doping, ergo, she is a good guy. just like paula radcliffe, she stole the page from paula's book.

That book has some advice on that page - keep taking the suckers - there is loads more to be made after your career. That high-life in Monaco and those lawyers are huge bills.

[ Great to see the way the press are still at Mo Farah - number one story on the BBC News at 10 last night. Daly tweeted in response to Mo's "outrage" and need to get back to the USA to ask his coach some serious questions, that Mo and Salhaszzar had recived written notification of the allegations over a month ago, obviously as Wells had done. Wells hit the "call a lawyer" button in fact get me Paula's lawyer ! Mo and Alberto obviously decided to bluff it out. ]

Cooke - a fact - here in the UK there is just THE BIGGEST gravy-train running for cycling pundits to drool on about anything and everything - the theme being BC/Sky are the greatest, beating dirty johnny foreigner - led by two gallant knights of the realm, Sir David and the so cool, Sir Brad. ITV Channel 4, even in Wales S4C and at the top of the tree Sky and the BBC are all delivering. Any ex rider who has achieved anything can get a very lucrative gig. The country is short on good ex roadies to give a proper insight. That dandy - St David is now sharing with us his thoughts and extending his confidence trick and on the women's side there is virtually no ex star. Last year the BBC had Victoria Pendleton doing the commentary on the Commonwealth Games Road Race ! Let's have Sir Chris Hoy give his insights on climbing the Ventoux from the Carpentras side under race conditions !

On the Athletics at the BBC it is Cram, Andy Norman's triple jumper Edwards, Paula, Gunnel and a whole bunch of them.

Cooke will hardly have finished her career flush with cash and so the driver to get on that gravy-train will be greater than for lots of others and yet she has not stepped onto it to add to the BC/Sky worship. I can't recall seeing her doing pundit gigs even with the hype about the Women's tour of GB and La Course. After all - who would she be commenting on ?

ray j willings said:
.....some of her GB team mates are still friends, others are not "the ones she knows are doping " and she won't dope so has retired as her career is never going to reach the heights

And yet it is not like she has walked away and is having nothing to do with the sport, that Guardian piece the other month had Cound hitting the keyboard with the "Froome wants 24 hour testing" smoke screen.


Punditry is not as lucrative as you might think, the BBC often don't pay up for commentary, interviews etc and what are you going to do, take them to a small claims court?. But those ex riders have nothing else to fall back on so getting mugged is just fine, they'll keep on coming back.

Re Cooke, she is intelligent, articulate and a cycling phenomenon. She is the perfect fit for cycling commentary. But that's not how it works, you have to be in 'the club', and Nicole never was, remember how the media underwrote Sutton's campaign against her in the the run in to 2012, proper genius management that is :confused: . Of course I don't know whether she harbours ambitions to get involved in commentary but IMO she would be perfect. The trouble is, as you imply, her integrity would quickly cause a conflict with the narrative we are being spoon fed and that wouldn't be allowed.
 
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Carrot, that's a great post. Nicole is the outcast. The BBC for instance would not take to her honest but true account of how she was outcast from the GB team by the GB/Sky boys club.

The way she was treated, a world champion a Olympic champion yet Lizzie helmet head gets bigged up like she his the greatest women's rider ever, the BBC absolutely Fu%%ing full of bias sh%%.
Lets not upset or even wobble the Sky/GB applecart.
The greatest GB womans cyclist of our times reduced to a few sound bites by the media ,,,C%%%S

This is more proof of a drug compliant media who only care about the money image and are "so shocked" when any athlete is caught doping.
 
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classic1 said:
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Aussie gold medallist fails doping test.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/swimming/kylie-palmer-fails-doping-test-20150617-ghqt92.html

dates back to 2013, only just coming out now. not sure, might be retro testing.


FINA tried to cover it up as it was a 'small amount'. WADA kicked their butts over it.

Hopefully someone can rant at us about the lack of performance enhancing such a small amount would have for the athlete in question!
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
classic1 said:
observer said:
Aussie gold medallist fails doping test.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/swimming/kylie-palmer-fails-doping-test-20150617-ghqt92.html

dates back to 2013, only just coming out now. not sure, might be retro testing.


FINA tried to cover it up as it was a 'small amount'. WADA kicked their butts over it.

Hopefully someone can rant at us about the lack of performance enhancing such a small amount would have for the athlete in question!

See the Aussies don't dope thread ....


Wait we don't have that one. Maybe we should ?
 
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Catwhoorg said:
Dear Wiggo said:
classic1 said:
observer said:
Aussie gold medallist fails doping test.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/swimming/kylie-palmer-fails-doping-test-20150617-ghqt92.html

dates back to 2013, only just coming out now. not sure, might be retro testing.


FINA tried to cover it up as it was a 'small amount'. WADA kicked their butts over it.

Hopefully someone can rant at us about the lack of performance enhancing such a small amount would have for the athlete in question!

See the Aussies don't dope thread ....


Wait we don't have that one. Maybe we should ?

Probbaly because all 2 of us Aussie clinicians don't think that at all :p
 
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Catwhoorg said:
UKAD ban a Welsh weightlifter for 4 years

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/welsh-weightlifter-andrew-riddiford-banned-following-anti-doping-rule-/

First one decided under the 2015 code.

PDF file:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6767

Basically admitted stanazalol and clenbutarol was present, but claimed unspecified supplement contamination.

UKAD were quite rightly unmoved in the absence of evidence.

http://breezesgym.co.uk/andrew-riddiford/

Very first sentence under specialities. Lolz...
 
And the last sentence, should have the addition, not anymore.

If I were an tested athlete working out at that gym, I'd be expecting a few knocks on the door.

I do wonder if he was a supplier as well ?
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Catwhoorg said:
Dear Wiggo said:
classic1 said:
observer said:
Aussie gold medallist fails doping test.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/swimming/kylie-palmer-fails-doping-test-20150617-ghqt92.html

dates back to 2013, only just coming out now. not sure, might be retro testing.


FINA tried to cover it up as it was a 'small amount'. WADA kicked their butts over it.

Hopefully someone can rant at us about the lack of performance enhancing such a small amount would have for the athlete in question!

See the Aussies don't dope thread ....


Wait we don't have that one. Maybe we should ?

Probbaly because all 2 of us Aussie clinicians don't think that at all :p

Make that 3. It's a subset of the Clinic 12, though I'd never presume to be a part of the illustrious few.
 
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when will folks unnerstan that The Clinic TWELVE is an amorophous, anumerical (sic/neologism), group that JV christened from high on his pulpit!