Doping in other sports?

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Quite straighforward action by International Skate Union.
They just handed out a 2-year ban to a huge Russian speedskating talent (Pawel Kulizhnikow), apparently the biggest talent they've had for decades, and stripped him of the prizes he won during the junior world championships (gold and bronze), which is where he got caught.
The positive is for methylhexaneamine.
Kulizhnikow claims contamination. Claim rejected by ISU.

http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1362249
 
sniper said:
Quite straighforward action by International Skate Union.
They just handed out a 2-year ban to a huge Russian speedskating talent (Pawel Kulizhnikow), apparently the biggest talent they've had for decades, and stripped him of the prizes he won during the junior world championships (gold and bronze), which is where he got caught.
The positive is for methylhexaneamine.
Kulizhnikow claims contamination. Claim rejected by ISU.

http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1362249

And the real winner seems pleased about being crowned winner.


- I was congratulated by a friend on Facebook. I wondered what he congratulated me for, and then he told me that the Russian was taken in doping, Lorentzen says to NRK.

- How is it for you to win a gold medal in this way?

- It would of course be better to win there and then. But gold is gold, so I should not complain, says Håvard Lorentsen.

http://translate.google.com/transla...://www.nrk.no/sport/skoyter/1.8323047&act=url

What were the responses when contador was caught?:rolleyes:
 
Aug 18, 2012
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centri said:
Err, okay, I think he dopes, but you know, being the reigning Olympic champ kinda pours water on your theory. A little integrity goes a long way to giving the clinic some integrity.

What was the testing like in Beijing in 2008.

I was under the impression that Nadal cycled off and came as late as possible to the games to drop his positives, similar to Lance when he won his bronze.
 
Jul 16, 2009
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For those who aren't aware, Australian football (AFL or "Aussie Rules") is a very popular sport here.
Games regularly get 70,000 attending, and finals upwards of that.
Players have a 12 year life span, and play up to 300 games over that time
Each game is 4 x ~30 minute quarters, and most players are running a minimum of 12km in that time, and at very strong pace.
Highly physical it is a full contact sport.
Each team has a salary cap of $8m which is paid over the 40 players on the roster, whcih included new players who earn maybe $50k in their first year.
Top players are on $400-$700k in their last few seasons
On top of that they can earn big money on endorsements etc

The issue of Doping is lip service.
One year one team had its players on IV rehydration at half time break...as people learned later

Wealthier clubs take their entire teams to Arizona for "Altitude training" in the 3 month pre-season window

They use hypobaric (sp?) chambers, inject lambs blood and so on
Lots of soft tissue injuries through a 26 week season.

Very few players can get through a season without being on the needle before games, usually cortizone and other stuff to numb pain. This is all allowed and open. Yo can get a needle sitting on the bench at 1/4 time if you wanted, though most would go down to the rooms for that.

Ask 100 people here is any players dope, you would probably get 97 people say no, they would never do that

And thats after they know all the above, and read this

Today in one of the papers a revolutionary new program was

This is not considered doping to an AFL footballer

I read in David Millars autobiography that he believes (amongst other reasons) that taking needles for vitamins and other recovery made it easier to go to EPO

The pressure on players to be fit to return for matches, plus feeling obliged to their team mates is intense. Most players are under fatigue duress during the latter half to season.

Some of the bolter players- who just get bigger and faster, and can run all day, are sporting sleeve tattoos as well (a very side note)

Worth a read and a think anyway

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Six clubs have already tried Orthokine treatment and there has been an influx of interstate players booking in to Melbourne's Olympic Park clinic, which is pioneering the treatment in Australia.


Orthokine therapy has been used by six AFL clubs this year. Photo: Supplied
This year alone Marks, who regularly assists Hawthorn on match days and practises at Olympic Park, has fast-tracked the recovery of about 20 AFL players struck by joint and soft-tissue afflictions by injecting them with their own blood.

The blood is incubated in a test tube containing tiny glass beads before it is re-injected - generally in three or four sessions - to the injured area.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ion-science-20120924-26hhg.html#ixzz27S4qZO6P
 
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I trained and raced in Sydney (Australia) for many years and was often asked by AFL players about doping in cycling... to which I responded openly. They, in turn were quite candid about their own intake of HgH, et al... At first I was taken aback, but it seems it was/is as entrenched in their sport as it is in ours.
 
Competitive archers and target shooters dope with beta-blockers (which are WADA-prohibited). A North Korean pistol shooter got popped in the Beijing Olympics for propranolol. Beta-blockers slow the heartbeat, giving them a longer duration between surges of pulse to fire the shot. And they reduce the effect of adrenalin, which steadies the hand and dulls the "fight of flight" jitters.
 
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esafosfina said:
I trained and raced in Sydney (Australia) for many years and was often asked by AFL players about doping in cycling... to which I responded openly. They, in turn were quite candid about their own intake of HgH, et al... At first I was taken aback, but it seems it was/is as entrenched in their sport as it is in ours.

Yeah I'd agree with that. Ozzie's post is pretty on the money. But there are some that choose not to. I've known some that do and a few that don't. Some surprises both ways. You never can tell. Recreational drugs are a pretty big problem as well.
 
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Jalina said:
Yeah I'd agree with that. Ozzie's post is pretty on the money. But there are some that choose not to. I've known some that do and a few that don't. Some surprises both ways. You never can tell. Recreational drugs are a pretty big problem as well.

Agree with you totally Jalina... there's always going to be some that do and some that don't. (One guy I knew quite well was considered to be amongst the cleanest on the pitch, but to look at him you'd think he'd been swallowing roids since he was 10!)

As for the recreational drug-taking side of AFL there's some well documented cases... Cousins, Tuck, Liberatore and other high profile players.

We start getting into a moral morass when considering recreational abuse and sporting abuse... where to draw the line?
 
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esafosfina said:
Agree with you totally Jalina... there's always going to be some that do and some that don't. (One guy I knew quite well was considered to be amongst the cleanest on the pitch, but to look at him you'd think he'd been swallowing roids since he was 10!)

As for the recreational drug-taking side of AFL there's some well documented cases... Cousins, Tuck, Liberatore and other high profile players.

We start getting into a moral morass when considering recreational abuse and sporting abuse... where to draw the line?

Easy moral morass...

Sporting abuse is the use of banned drugs... most sports have a banned list (WADA approved or something similar), get caught, banned, censured, whatever.

This idea of recreational abuse is something that really irks me... It is the abuse of ILLEGAL drugs... we romanticise their use when we call them recreational. Ice, Cocaine, Ecstacy etc. all ILLEGAL. Get caught... Get wrist slapped, fined, Jail.. whatever. Take a bad dose... you die.

It is the use of Illegal drugs that is a greater problem for our society. Talk to a few cops about their current experiences in emergency wards... not pretty.
 
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TUE's are a HUGE problem in alot of sport. When i was running very few runners were sick or had a condition. Decades later almost all elites need meds. Poor babies! and wouldn't you know they all seem to have a condition that correlates to their event. Distance runners always have asthma and sprinters have ADD or similar. The sprinters get TUE"S for PED's advantageous to speed and strength and the distance runners get PED's that help with their endurance.
HMMMMM

The proof was in a study of MLB players who have an unusually high percentage of players with ADD and get PED's. The rate of occurence is more than twice that of the general population.
When i heard Michael Phelps overcame ADD to win Gold i thought "sure, it has nothing to do with the amphetamines that you can get to treat your condition."
In the old days if you were truly sick, you had to just suck it up. Athletes with asthma were not allowed to take their inhalers before competition, etc etc. TUEs just encourage legal doping.
 
runninboy said:
TUE's are a HUGE problem in alot of sport. When i was running very few runners were sick or had a condition. Decades later almost all elites need meds. Poor babies! and wouldn't you know they all seem to have a condition that correlates to their event. Distance runners always have asthma and sprinters have ADD or similar. The sprinters get TUE"S for PED's advantageous to speed and strength and the distance runners get PED's that help with their endurance.
HMMMMM

The proof was in a study of MLB players who have an unusually high percentage of players with ADD and get PED's. The rate of occurence is more than twice that of the general population.
When i heard Michael Phelps overcame ADD to win Gold i thought "sure, it has nothing to do with the amphetamines that you can get to treat your condition."
In the old days if you were truly sick, you had to just suck it up. Athletes with asthma were not allowed to take their inhalers before competition, etc etc. TUEs just encourage legal doping.

In the old days many of these conditions went untreated. It's called progress.
 
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Oh man, does this topic make me sad and **** me off at the same time. What sports other than cycling is sport doping a mainstay? There was a time when I couldn't wait for Wide world of sports with Jim mcKay, TDF, Super Bowl, World Series, Stanly Cup, Wimbledon... but that was yesterday, and yesterday's gone. Along with my passion for sports as a fans.

In 2009 a guy on Twitter told me I should read about doping in cycling. Until then I would post daily to my followers the day's winner so proudly. I toke that guy's advice and read and read and read some more about cycling and doping. I read myself sick. I thought I developed an ulcer and even ha Upper Gi. I cried myself sick evry time I read more. Tehn I got ****ed becuase I was being used. I cheered like a fool for armstrong and usps and dc every year. I was so proud to be an American. But now I'm so ****ed I'm right now on the verge of tears and I'm shaking angry.

What other sports? I can't watch a sporting event without thinking, 'they're all doped up on something'. It doesn't matter what the sport. occer, ballers, tennis, swimming, golf(I'm sure there's some way they have incorporated sport doping) T&F Auto Racing Horse Racing... doesn't matter. The only sport I think might be clean is Curling, although when it comes to the Sweepers, maybe them as well.

It's just not fair to those of us who believed in the integrity of the game. How can they just expect us to cheer for something we were taught not to do?

It's not only by sport that I think of dopers but by country. First always is Spain, then China who produce so much of the undetectables, the US, Russia, Germany etc.
 
Not a murmur it would seem from any of our 'big four' tennis stars. They must be quietly getting on with the day job. Not that the ever-so-polite tennis journos have been posing much by way of questions either. What a supine lot we have.

The apparent reticence to comment on the USADA report stands in rather stark contrast to the players' readiness to constantly voice complaints about having to comply with the woefully inadequate ITF anti-doping regulations.
 
Peripheral story to everything else right now, but US road runner Christian Hesch is out: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/s...ng-with-epo.html?pagewanted=1&_r=5&ref=sports

http://running.competitor.com/2012/10/news/christian-hesch-publicly-apologizes-for-doping_60364

Says he only used EPO to come back from injuries, but "raced clean". He took the easy way out, as hes getting a lot of positive attention and sympathy for his admission. Claims there was no spike in performance, despite a 5 second PB in the mile after doping.

I've raced him before. Glad to see him go. Road running needs a big clean up, but is the lowest on anyones list of priorities.

EDIT: I'm adding this link, with more details to the timeline of his getting caught/admission: http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/10/15/road-ace-christian-hesch-doped-facing-ban/

A teammate found vials of EPO, and with the groups coach, confronted Hesch with an ultimatum to confess or be reported. When the two didn't think Hesch was moving fast enough, they reported him to the USADA, after which Hesch began cooperating (and only then stopped racing). I may be the only one interested, but it is good news when evaluating an omerta in running