Doping in other sports?

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/winter-sports/17787655

A British bobsleigh athlete has tested positive for a banned substance, the sport's governing body has confirmed.

Provisionally suspended pending B sample testing.

The athelete was informed on Feb 28th, but the news is just circulating now. I'm kidna suprised that the B sample information hasn't been released yet, its nearly 2 months later.

 

[Andynonomous]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/winter-sports/17787655

A British bobsleigh athlete has tested positive for a banned substance, the sport's governing body has confirmed.

Provisionally suspended pending B sample testing.

The athelete was informed on Feb 28th, but the news is just circulating now. I'm kidna suprised that the B sample information hasn't been released yet, its nearly 2 months later.

If athletes in sports like bobsleigh, and table tennis are using peds (where they would give the athlete only a small advantage), you can bet that some athletes in other sports like tennis, and football (soccer) are juiced to the eyeballs. Yet the head of tennis's Ped testing agency claims PEDs would not give an advantage to a tennis player.

 

[poupou]

In bobsleigh, people who are pushing the bob are real athletes, often sprinter and doping is a serious advantage. But I doubt that British have a serious team, so I would believe that is a mistake : that kind of people are not so carefull abour doping than cyclists. As exemple, I have done many years competing at top level in an amateur sport and I took all needed medicines when ill I was (outside of championships).

 

[BroDeal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/winter-sports/17787655

A British bobsleigh athlete has tested positive for a banned substance, the sport's governing body has confirmed.

Provisionally suspended pending B sample testing.

The athelete was informed on Feb 28th, but the news is just circulating now. I'm kidna suprised that the B sample information hasn't been released yet, its nearly 2 months later.

Maybe he was standing downwind from the Jamaican bobsled team.

 

[Caruut]

In bobsleigh, people who are pushing the bob are real athletes, often sprinter and doping is a serious advantage. But I doubt that British have a serious team, so I would believe that is a mistake : that kind of people are not so carefull abour doping than cyclists. As exemple, I have done many years competing at top level in an amateur sport and I took all needed medicines when ill I was (outside of championships).

Oddly, the British are traditionally fairly competitive (compared to the rest of their winter Olympic program) at the sliding sports. In the bobsleigh they're 8th all-time in Olympic medals, and in the skeleton they're 3rd.

The athletes are mainly recruits from sprinting, where I can only imagine they know their way around a program.

Why on earth has the athlete been allowed to remain anonymous, and the substance also remained under wraps. Stinks to me.

 

[Caruut]

If athletes in sports like bobsleigh, and table tennis are using peds (where they would give the athlete only a small advantage), you can bet that some athletes in other sports like tennis, and football (soccer) are juiced to the eyeballs. Yet the head of tennis's Ped testing agency claims PEDs would not give an advantage to a tennis player.

If dope helps in the 100m, it helps in the sliding events. Table tennis isn't the kind of sedentary sport that regular people play, there's a load of short, sharp movements, and the players are so good that the games can take a fairly long time, too. People often forget how badly reflexes and fine motor skills are affected once you start to tire. The longer you stay fresh in table tennis, the better you are, I reckon.

Obviously the head of the tennis agency is either too thick to dress himself, or lying. I know where my money is. Tennis and football have enormous problems. Football has its own thread, so discussion on that should be kept there, I guess, but tennis is a joke. Do you remember a few months back when one of the Williams sisters managed to skip a drugs test by hiding in a bunker built in her house, claiming she thought the tester was a stalker. The tennis authorities pretty much just let it fly, an absolute joke.

Rafa Nadal's two biggest dips in form were in 2006, shortly after Puerto, and in 2009, when tennis said (though they barely followed through) that they were going to start blood testing.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Why on earth has the athlete been allowed to remain anonymous, and the substance also remained under wraps. Stinks to me.

I would disagree IF the news came out on March 1st say, before any chance of the B sample being tested.

Now 2 months after, yeah it stinks.

 

[unclem0nty]

26-year-old 100m breast-stroke world champion suffers fatal cardiac arrest:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17908737

It's happening too often.

 

[my username is flish]

Sorry if posted before, only saw this now and found it interesting...

"An Interview with Angel Heredia - Former PED Dealer to Athletes and Olympians "

http://www.pendlayforum.com/showthread.php?t=6611

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Bobsledding,

Most of those guys and girls on the circuit have jobs. More confirmation the doping goes all the way down to elite weekend warrior.

 

[sniper]

interview in German (sorry ) with Matschiner:
http://www.sport1.de/de/basketball/newspage_585832.html

"Doping is everywhere and crucial in any sport where there is money at stake"

"Doping institutes like the one in Vienna are also found easily in Germany"

"The discussion regarding UV-blooddoping in Erfurt is a smokescreen to cover up the real blooddoping that was going on in the same institute"

"Dope testing is useless since most doping nowadays is microdosed"

"Doping is particularly beneficial in a sport like football, where stamina and accelleration are so important"

 

[sniper]

Good interview with a German doping expert:

http://www.ln-online.de/lokales/lue...r-doping-experte-das-sind-mafioese-strukturen

Saubere Spiele? Jeder, der 1 und 1 zusammen zählen kann, weiß, dass das ausgeschlossen ist. Und zwar deshalb, weil sich die Strukturen des Sportbetriebs nach wie vor nicht geändert haben. Das System perpetuiert sich selbst. Das ganze ist ja in erster Linie Big Business. Ehemalige Athleten werden Trainer oder Funktionäre. So lange das so ist, wird sich nichts Wesentliches ändern.

"Clean olympics? Everybody who can add 1+1 knows that that is impossible. And the reason is that the structures of topsport still have not changed. The system perpetuates itself. At the end of the day it's just Big Business. Former athletes become coaches or functionaries. As long as that continues, nothing will change".

(Indeed, here one can easily replace "Olympics" by "TdF".)

Also some interesting remarks about HGH and newer doping techniques.

Edit: ow, and he calls LA a "two-legged drugstore"

 

[taiwan]

http://www.ln-online.de/lokales/luebeck/3499114/luebecker-doping-experte-das-sind-mafioese-strukturen

 

[sniper]

From the same article:

Gerhard Treutlein, ein Kollege und Datensammler aus Heidelberg, hat Weltrekorde zusammengetragen und mit Doping-Aktivitäten ins Verhältnis gesetzt.

LN: Mit welchen Ergebnissen?

Pagel: Als zum Beispiel Epo zugelassen wurde, gingen alle Kurven nach oben. Als die unangekündigten Trainingskontrollen eingeführt wurden, bekamen die Kurven einen Knick, welche Überraschung, die Rekorde gingen nach unten.

"Pagel: Gerhard Treutlein, a colleague and data collecter from Heidelberg, has looked for correlations between world records and doping.

QS: With what results?

Pagel: for instance, when EPO was introduced, the records curved upwards. When out of competition dope-testing was introduced -- surprise surprise! -- , no more records were broken."

 

[More Strides than Rides]

US 400m runner out for testosterone. Her coach (also coach of Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones) had been mailing her workouts from prison..

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...s-positive-drug-test-20120713,0,2421161.story

 

[neineinei]

IOC investigating possible positive cases from retests of 2004 Athens samples

http://www.newser.com/article/da022...ases-from-retests-of-2004-athens-samples.html

Less than five cases. IOC haven't checked if they have TUE's yet, and they have to check that the chain of custody of the samples was respected

Arne Ljungqvist said he was a bit surprised that the retesting produced suspicious results.

"I had not expected it really, I must confess," he said. "The methods were good already and the analysis was good at the time but, of course, we are where we are. I don't know what the final result will be either _ if it will be anything, or one or two or three."

IOC did the retesting after WADA asked them to do so before the samples will have to be destroyed when the 8 year storage time expires 29 August 2012.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/08/ioc-retest-2004-athens-games

 

[gjdavis60]

Doping news from NASCAR

Interesting. In NASCAR, A. J. Allmendinger was suspended for an adverse finding of his A sample. His teammate, Brad Keselowski, opined that Allmendinger's career was likely over even if the B sample came back negative. He went on to say that professional athletes should be banned from taking supplements of any kind, including multi-vitamins.

"My personal belief is that nothing should be allowed," he said. "Nothing. I don't feel like you should be able to take Flintstones pills. It's my personal belief. You're race car drivers, you should have to overcome it. I think it's a bunch of (expletive) people should be allowed to take supplements, any of those things. I don't think that's right. I don't think any athlete should be allowed to take that. But that's my own personal belief."

"There's mixed emotions for sure on my end," he said. "I wish the pool of athletes that compete and make money like we do – whether it's here in NASCAR or the NFL – it would be my preference that we're allowed to take nothing, and that's it your job to just do it. To just go out there and perform through the pain or whatever ails you. But obviously, that's not the situation. Until we get together as a society and make that a position, there's always going to be this gray area in society of what supplement is right and what is not.

Strong words from an unexpected source.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Really good programme just finished on Rte television: 'Faster, Higher, Stronger'. Looked at drugs in sport but from cutting edge angle (eg epo and beyond). Even the localised titbits interesting; eg, 4 14yr olds found to be on steroids at a rugby tournament. Genetic profiling is the future!

 

[will10]

Quality program on Ben Johnson's 'impossible' 100m on BBC4 - The Race That Shook The World. Plenty of frank contributions from the main contenders of the time.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Have recorded it!

 

[Cavalier]

Quality program on Ben Johnson's 'impossible' 100m on BBC4 - The Race That Shook The World. Plenty of frank contributions from the main contenders of the time.

That was on in Australia last week. Outstanding look at it - but also interesting in that every single other athlete in that race continued to deny use of PEDs. Really disappointing.

 

[User Guide]

If dope helps in the 100m, it helps in the sliding events. Table tennis isn't the kind of sedentary sport that regular people play, there's a load of short, sharp movements, and the players are so good that the games can take a fairly long time, too. People often forget how badly reflexes and fine motor skills are affected once you start to tire. The longer you stay fresh in table tennis, the better you are, I reckon.

Obviously the head of the tennis agency is either too thick to dress himself, or lying. I know where my money is. Tennis and football have enormous problems. Football has its own thread, so discussion on that should be kept there, I guess, but tennis is a joke. Do you remember a few months back when one of the Williams sisters managed to skip a drugs test by hiding in a bunker built in her house, claiming she thought the tester was a stalker. The tennis authorities pretty much just let it fly, an absolute joke.

Rafa Nadal's two biggest dips in form were in 2006, shortly after Puerto, and in 2009, when tennis said (though they barely followed through) that they were going to start blood testing.

Between 2008 and 2011 the williams sisters were tested a grand total of ZERO times by the ITU,although rumours persist they tried to test Serena on a number of occasions.Also from 2008 70% of OOC tests were carried out AFTER the season ended.Theres a site somewhere with some extraordinary facts about tennis and doping(cant remember the url sorry)

 

[Paco_P]

Interesting. In NASCAR, A. J. Allmendinger was suspended for an adverse finding of his A sample. His teammate, Brad Keselowski, opined that Allmendinger's career was likely over even if the B sample came back negative. He went on to say that professional athletes should be banned from taking supplements of any kind, including multi-vitamins.

Strong words from an unexpected source.

You got it all wrong - it's strong words from the usual sources - Keselowski is also a team OWNER =
http://bradracing.com/teams/brad-keselowski-racing/bkr-team-overview/

I'm sure he thinks drinking Jack Daniels is just fine. At any rate, MillerCoors is his top sponsor ...

 

[whocares]

Here is all USA doping sanctions from USADAs website. Heavily dominated by cycling, weightlifting, and track and field. I was surprised to see paralympians on the list.

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

 

[gjdavis60]

You got it all wrong - it's strong words from the usual sources - Keselowski is also a team OWNER =
http://bradracing.com/teams/brad-keselowski-racing/bkr-team-overview/

I'm sure he thinks drinking Jack Daniels is just fine. At any rate, MillerCoors is his top sponsor ...

I didn't know Keselowski was an owner (or that JD was a PED!). But what I find interesting is the relationship between sanctioning body, teams, sponsors, and drivers in NASCAR (and other pro motorsports) and how that informs the culture of substance policy violations.

Even a whiff of impropriety - not even limited to PEDs - can blackball a driver for the balance of his or her career because sponsors will not touch them, and owners have no use for drivers who cannot attract sponsorship.

While I question the rigor of NASCAR's testing, I think the severe consequences of a positive test weigh heavily on drivers who have secured an illusive Sprint Cup ride because they know that they would probably never be let back in the door; even if NASCAR reinstates them. There is some self-policing going on here.

Interesting contrast to the culture within pro cycling where doping and violations are the norm and riders returning from suspension are as eagerly anticipated as MLB players coming off the DL.