Doping in Soccer/Football

[Don't be late Pedro]

borrussia with an impressive win on bayern.
funny how in the press borrusia's incredible stamina is sold as if it were some genious tactical move.
a bit like how froome's win on the ventoux was sold as a tactical stroke of genius by walsh.

This is Bayern who have already won the league and probably are resting a number of players for the game against Madrid?

 

[Nathan12]

borrussia with an impressive win on bayern.
funny how in the press borrusia's incredible stamina is sold as if it were some genious tactical move.
a bit like how froome's win on the ventoux was sold as a tactical stroke of genius by walsh.

My theory on football is that the players just take any injections without questioning what they might be. And football's moral stance on doping is very relaxed- see platelet rich plasma treatment which a lot of the clubs use, also transfusions.

it's misguided to talk too much about tactics in cycling. Tactics are only useful if you've got the legs. And the legs come from dope.

 

[SeriousSam]

Liverpool's Raheem Sterling's fitness and athleticism is just incredible, and has improved incredibly. I'd like some of the stuff he is on.

 

[infeXio]

This is Bayern who have already won the league and probably are resting a number of players for the game against Madrid?

Except they didn't.

 

[sniper]

Liverpool's Raheem Sterling's fitness and athleticism is just incredible, and has improved incredibly. I'd like some of the stuff he is on.

gerrard and some other liverpool players also having the best season of their carreers.
the whole team definitely on the same breakfast, imo.

 

[Nathan12]

gerrard and some other liverpool players also having the best season of their carreers.
the whole team definitely on the same breakfast, imo.

Gerrard has been a client of Hans Wohlfahrt in the past.

 

[EnacheV]

All winning teams at their climax run like rabbits, every one of them.

Look at Messi now, when your body is tired and burned all the talent in the world doesn't help you win games.

I especially like Bayern, field seems to small for them, 3-4 steps and they reached center line from their 16m line.

 

[sniper]

Gerrard has been a client of Hans Wohlfahrt in the past.

interesting, didn't know that.
how wohlfahrt still has a medical license is beyond me.

All winning teams at their climax run like rabbits, every one of them.

true story.

I especially like Bayern, field seems to small for them, 3-4 steps and they reached center line from their 16m line.

yep, they've shown amazing endurance/strength during the past two seasons.
And they're all tall guys, making it look extra impressive.

 

[Justinr]

liverpool are gonna win the league. who couldhave guessed that.

Steve Peters really is a miracle worker.

In reality (in my view) its probably more to do with spending £m wisely and Rodgers getting the most out of them, but if you want to insinuate (as I am sure you are trying) that its linked to a Sky person and therefore doping then fine you go ahead. I really am puzzled though - how do you get through a normal day when you see so much lying, doping, and corruption, etc. around you...

 

[the sceptic]

In reality (in my view) its probably more to do with spending £m wisely and Rodgers getting the most out of them, but if you want to insinuate (as I am sure you are trying) that its linked to a Sky person and therefore doping then fine you go ahead. I really am puzzled though - how do you get through a normal day when you see so much lying, doping, and corruption, etc. around you...

you have to be incredibly dumb or naive to think there isnt doping at the top level of football.

 

[Justinr]

you have to be incredibly dumb or naive to think there isnt doping at the top level of football.

I don't deny that FIFA's (and lower levels) approach to doping is poor. My post (if you had read it properly) was about yet another comment insinuating (in my view) a connection between a current / ex SKY person and increases in performance and therefore doping, even if it wasn't spelled out in so many words.

Post the link where I said that Football was clean and I'll buy you a pint ...

 

[gooner]

Well, Ronnie O'Sullivan said the best thing United can do is hire Peters.

Cue the accusations now of O'Sullivan taking PEDs to help hit 147s.

 

[the sceptic]

I don't deny that FIFA's (and lower levels) approach to doping is poor. My post (if you had read it properly) was about yet another comment insinuating (in my view) a connection between a current / ex SKY person and increases in performance and therefore doping, even if it wasn't spelled out in so many words.

Post the link where I said that Football was clean and I'll buy you a pint ...

Cool story bro

 

[The Hitch]

In reality (in my view) its probably more to do with spending £m wisely and Rodgers getting the most out of them, but if you want to insinuate (as I am sure you are trying) that its linked to a Sky person and therefore doping then fine you go ahead. I really am puzzled though - how do you get through a normal day when you see so much lying, doping, and corruption, etc. around you...

So you are the guy who when the train breaks down says - lets close the curtains and pretends its moving.

 

[Almeisan]

All winning teams at their climax run like rabbits, every one of them.

Look at Messi now, when your body is tired and burned all the talent in the world doesn't help you win games.

I especially like Bayern, field seems to small for them, 3-4 steps and they reached center line from their 16m line.

Maybe Messi is doping now and wasn't previously.

You see what is there, then interpret it as evidence for whatever you already believe.

So Gerrard was clean his entire career, when tons of others were doping, and now he finally joined the club? But Messi doped since age 15 and now for the first time his career he isn't doped because he played one very bad match?

It's not really true that winning teams run more. They play better. That means they are ahead of their opponent. They arrive first because they start first and/or have to move less distance. Check the stats.

 

[Justinr]

So you are the guy who when the train breaks down says - lets close the curtains and pretends its moving.

You know what Hitch - I haven't the slightest clue what you are on about, all I can assume is that you clearly worry too much about what is going on in this world.

 

[Justinr]

Well, Ronnie O'Sullivan said the best thing United can do is hire Peters.

Cue the accusations now of O'Sullivan taking PEDs to help hit 147s.

This ^ ...

 

[BradCantona]

If you only watched the first half, you'd think Liverpool were the dopers

If you only watched the second half, you'd think City were the dopers

If you watch any team managed by Guardiola, you'd know who the dopers are

 

[SeriousSam]

Indeed. Foreign types like Spaniards or Germans seem pretty shifty to me, probably doping. Much like diving, it's something notably absent in the English Game.

 

[BradCantona]

Interestingly irrelevant point to make when most of the players involved in the game today were foreign

The suspicion regards Guardiola is more to do with his nandrolone escapades as a player, the links between Spanish football and Fuentes, and that all the players he coaches thunder around the pitch like lab rats

 

[the sceptic]

If you only watched the first half, you'd think Liverpool were the dopers

If you only watched the second half, you'd think City were the dopers

If you watch any team managed by Guardiola, you'd know who the dopers are

If you know anything about the history of doping in the sport, you would assume everyone at the top level is doping. Remeber Juventus, Fuentes, etc etc. Why would anyone stop doping?

1: It is almost impossible to get caught, you would have to be a massive idiot for that to happen. Remember Joey Barton said he was never tested for blood in his entire career. So you can pretty much assume there is 0 risk of testing positive.

2: The reward is immense, both for the team and the player.

The big teams have their own medical facilities. So there is no need for that mess of visiting a camper van of some shady character in Italy.

In this scenario, why would anyone not be doping?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Except they didn't.

You think they would have played the same if they had not won the league and had an upcoming league cup and champions league semi-final coming up?

 

[happychappy]

Indeed. Foreign types like Spaniards or Germans seem pretty shifty to me, probably doping. Much like diving, it's something notably absent in the English Game.

My sarcasm meter just exploded.

 

[Justinr]

If you know anything about the history of doping in the sport, you would assume everyone at the top level is doping. Remeber Juventus, Fuentes, etc etc. Why would anyone stop doping?

1: It is almost impossible to get caught, you would have to be a massive idiot for that to happen. Remember Joey Barton said he was never tested for blood in his entire career. So you can pretty much assume there is 0 risk of testing positive.

2: The reward is immense, both for the team and the player.

The big teams have their own medical facilities. So there is no need for that mess of visiting a camper van of some shady character in Italy.

In this scenario, why would anyone not be doping?

Mind you they threw the book at Rio F that time he missed a drugs test - 8 month ban. And he voluntarily took the test the next day and was clear - although that may not prove much.

 

[BradCantona]

If you know anything about the history of doping in the sport, you would assume everyone at the top level is doping. Remeber Juventus, Fuentes, etc etc. Why would anyone stop doping?

1: It is almost impossible to get caught, you would have to be a massive idiot for that to happen. Remember Joey Barton said he was never tested for blood in his entire career. So you can pretty much assume there is 0 risk of testing positive.

2: The reward is immense, both for the team and the player.

The big teams have their own medical facilities. So there is no need for that mess of visiting a camper van of some shady character in Italy.

In this scenario, why would anyone not be doping?

No question the incentive is there, with the money in the game, and the risk / reward ratio so bias as it is currently

If Joey Barton was doping and that career was all he was capable of, God help him