Doping in Soccer/Football

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What about Robben though.. still sprinting without tiring in the 119th minute of the match. And did almost everything right. Unbelievable performance. Out of this world if you watched him closely.

What's up with that.. from being injury phrone to being astoundlingy fit for such a long time already (for his doing). What program have Bayern put him on exactly?

Seems less output than a cyclist at 119th minute.
How he moves - I have no idea.

 

[Andynonomous]

Maybe since Fuentes isn't allowed to practise medicine in Spain anymore, he has moved to Amsterdam ?


I suspect that the Dutch were angry at what Spain got away with in 2010, and decided to do the same in 2014. The Dutch were flying for 120 minutes today, and controlled the ball for almost 2/3 of the match.

Similar to Djokovic, getting pummeled by a highly juiced Nadal (with a "new" 120 mph serve) at the 2010 US Open, then getting juiced himself in 2011.

Or Armstrong pushing the envelope, so others just reacted.

FIFA has lost control, and they have no-one else to blame. It's an arms race.

I am sure the remaining teams are all doped to one extent or another, and there will be embellishments galore in the semis and the final.

 

[sniper]

What about Robben though.. still sprinting without tiring in the 119th minute of the match. And did almost everything right. Unbelievable performance. Out of this world if you watched him closely.

What's up with that.. from being injury phrone to being astoundlingy fit for such a long time already (for his doing). What program have Bayern put him on exactly?

in complete agreement.
robben was out of this world. really a joy to watch.
referee should've sent one or two costaricans off the pitch.
every robben accelleration was stopped with a foul.

only time i've seen him play so strong was perhaps in his early period at chelsea, before he got injured.

i think he has personal medical coaches in the netherlands.
iinm, the first time he got injured at bayern, he went to the netherlands for treatment.
but he might owe his fitness to the bayern program mostly.
all bayern players (and borrusia players for that matter) are extremely fit. just not as quick as robben.

 

[zigmeister]

That wouldn't be Naymar would it? The star striker out for the rest of the WC with a broken vertebra? Obviously play acting.
Now lets talk about Robben.

Sadly, 1 out of 10 actually do get hurt. But the acting and theatrics of soccer are a joke. I grew up playing competitive soccer, I never did that nonsense, only knew a few guys that did, majority in the country don't fake stuff like that.

This is why soccer in the US isn't a huge pro sport I believe in part.

Baseball, football, hockey players don't clown around and act like they are hurt. The opposite is the opinion in those sports. When a guy gets an injury, they say tough it out and play, don't be a cry baby..haha...get your **** out there and play, or you better really be hurt!!

Even cyclist are way tougher than soccer players. Guys still finish a race if possible, like Cav after jacking up his shoulder.

Soccer, a guy barely gets tapped on the back and flops like a fish on the ground trying to fool the ref and get a penalty on their opponent.....that is a joke.

Anyway...I must say, I'm impressed with the World Cup Anti Doping control guys right on the sidelines ready to take all of these guys for testing right after matches..curious what the statics are if they ever release all the testing data.

 

[sniper]

Soccer, a guy barely gets tapped on the back and flops like a fish on the ground trying to fool the ref and get a penalty on their opponent.....that is a joke.

sadly, attacking players like robben often have to fall in order to get a free kick.
it's the lousy quality of refereeing that has promoted the diving.
attacking players should be protected by the refs a lot more.
yesterday, for instance, all robben's solos were annulled by fouls, but the ref does very little.
each one of those solos could have ended with a goal.

the only thing such refereeing invites is more fouls and more diving.

 

[SeriousSam]

What about Robben though.. still sprinting without tiring in the 119th minute of the match. And did almost everything right. Unbelievable performance. Out of this world if you watched him closely.

What's up with that.. from being injury phrone to being astoundlingy fit for such a long time already (for his doing). What program have Bayern put him on exactly?

They've got a guy called Dr Hans-Wilhelm Mueller-Wohlfahrt, a renowned sports specialist who regularly works with the likes of Usain Bolt and other big stars.

He's 71 years old.

 

[sniper]

They've got a guy called Dr Hans-Wilhelm Mueller-Wohlfahrt, a renowned sports specialist who regularly works with the likes of Usain Bolt and other big stars.

really?
never heard of the guy.


if you go back in this thread you'll find tons of stuff on the guy.
i don't wish to smartalec you, but imo there's no need to discuss him unless you have some new info.

 

[SeriousSam]

He asked why Robben, who used to be very injury prone, is no longer injury prone and so fit. Working with Wohlfahrt who's a sports injuries specialist is probably a contributing factor, even if he has been mentioned in one of the hundreds of pages in this thread before

really?
never heard of the guy.
.

He's working with Bayern and the German national team!

 

[go crazy]

What about Robben though.. still sprinting without tiring in the 119th minute of the match. And did almost everything right. Unbelievable performance. Out of this world if you watched him closely.

What's up with that.. from being injury phrone to being astoundlingy fit for such a long time already (for his doing). What program have Bayern put him on exactly?

I am not a soccer fan, but I watch the WC for the spectacle. But even I can tell there is a massive difference in level between Robben and just about anyone else. He. does. not. get. tired. period. They should put him on a bike, if he could climb, he'd be keeping up with Froome lol!

 

[Sciocco]

I am not a soccer fan, but I watch the WC for the spectacle. But even I can tell there is a massive difference in level between Robben and just about anyone else. He. does. not. get. tired. period. They should put him on a bike, if he could climb, he'd be keeping up with Froome lol!

Yea, goes through extra time and the guy does not look the least bit tired, whereas tons of players are laying on the ground out of breathe.

 

[go crazy]

Yea, goes through extra time and the guy does not look the least bit tired, whereas tons of players are laying on the ground out of breathe.

I watched the Spanish coverage during the break for Extra Time, and the entire Costa Rican team was being worked on while the whole Netherlands team takes a few sips of water then walks out to the middle of the pitch to wait for ET to begin. Costa Rica was using every single second of the break to work on their players' legs. It was a striking contrast. (I understand CR also had a previous ET game vs. Greece, but it was still ridiculous.)

 

[l.Harm]

Costa Rica players play in what kind of leagues? Not at all used to this kind of intensity in a match.

 

[keeponrollin]

Costa Rica players play in what kind of leagues? Not at all used to this kind of intensity in a match.

Perhaps not, but they're playing in a climate similar to the one they play in the rest of the year, unlike the European teams that are used to much cooler & less humid conditions.

 

[buckle]

Mate, the pull on the shirt wouldn't have made a 3 year old fall over.

A pulled shirt is a foul.

New Zealand were an embarassement with 20% possession stats. FIFA were relieved when they were tonked by Mexico this time around. In 2010 these morons were caught racially abusing the Italians at half-time. They only get a playoff place because Australia has gone to Asia.

 

[sniper]

Yea, goes through extra time and the guy does not look the least bit tired, whereas tons of players are laying on the ground out of breathe.

in the german squad, every single player is as fit as robben.
by the way, if you wanna make any claims wrt robben, you should check the distance he ran. i don't think its more than what others ran.
his movement is very clever. there are plenty of moments where he's standing still or just walking on the pitch.

 

[SirLes]

I didn't see anything special from Robben. He's fast but he's careful. He has the freedom to give it a go but rests bee tween efforts.

I also think he was looking much less sharp towards the end end of the game. He'd gone for it too many times. This despite the fact that the opposition were tired and slowing.

It's easier for the attacker in these situations as they can choose when to have a go or take it easy. Defenders have to anticipate the worse. Also more tiring if your team doesn't have possession.

Germany were very controlled. They lack pace but have good endurance and I thought paced themselves well. Although I played a different sport they were always good at controlling the pace of the game. Used to joke about being able to tell what the game time was by how they were playing. 5 mins before half time and suddenly things would be happening much quicker and players were running from different positions.

The Dutch could be a little temperamental and prone to the odd silly error but they would also produce a moment of genius. If they got excited then you were in serious trouble! (actually, just like the Spanish found out funnily enough!)The Dutch were also surprising because you'd be run ragged and then see them after the game smoking and drinking!

They maybe taking stuff but I've not seen anything physically that is impossible without drugs. They have a nice time to recover between games

 

[slowspoke]

I didn't see anything special from Robben. He's fast but he's careful. He has the freedom to give it a go but rests bee tween efforts.

I also think he was looking much less sharp towards the end end of the game. He'd gone for it too many times. This despite the fact that the opposition were tired and slowing.

It's easier for the attacker in these situations as they can choose when to have a go or take it easy. Defenders have to anticipate the worse. Also more tiring if your team doesn't have possession.

Germany were very controlled. They lack pace but have good endurance and I thought paced themselves well. Although I played a different sport they were always good at controlling the pace of the game. Used to joke about being able to tell what the game time was by how they were playing. 5 mins before half time and suddenly things would be happening much quicker and players were running from different positions.

The Dutch could be a little temperamental and prone to the odd silly error but they would also produce a moment of genius. If they got excited then you were in serious trouble! (actually, just like the Spanish found out funnily enough!)The Dutch were also surprising because you'd be run ragged and then see them after the game smoking and drinking!

They maybe taking stuff but I've not seen anything physically that is impossible without drugs. They have a nice time to recover between games

http://www.espnfc.com/fifa-world-cup/story/1888364/arjen-robben-of-netherlands-becomes-worlds-fastest-player

 

[Almeisan]

Robben is not the fastest, not even close, and 37 is as fast as Bolt.

 

[kingjr]

Robben is not the fastest, not even close, and 37 is as fast as Bolt.

Did you read the article? Bolt reached 44,72 in Berlin 2009

 

[The Hitch]

Robben is not the fastest, not even close, and 37 is as fast as Bolt.

Its Bolt's average over 100m including startup and tiredown, not his top speed

 

[Almeisan]

Frankly, I don't believe that calculation.

 

[buckle]

Perhaps not, but they're playing in a climate similar to the one they play in the rest of the year, unlike the European teams that are used to much cooler & less humid conditions.

Mexico also cracked against NL in the last 10. It's so difficult to make sense of the claim that European players should be disadvantaged in South America. I listened to James Richardson's podcast after the CR/GRE game and I am sure I detected background laughter from the panel when the subject of CR fitness levels was broached but they moved swiftly on ...

If CR soccer is "too big to fail", they are not going to discuss NL's fitness.

 

[l.Harm]

The 37 km/h was corrected to 31.

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage writes about World Cup and doping

http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...ctive-masking-agent-of-them-all-30409273.html

I thought of Richie's comments quite a lot last week when live pictures of a doctor I hadn't seen since my last year as a pro cyclist in 1989, were zoomed into my living room from the World Cup in Brazil. He's not alone. In 2001, Paul Howard wrote a brilliant piece in the Sunday Tribune about the doping scandal at Juventus and migration of sports doctors from athletics to football, a trend that has continued.

 

[slowspoke]

Kimmage writes about World Cup and doping

http://www.independent.ie/sport/inh...ctive-masking-agent-of-them-all-30409273.html

But that can't be!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/07/fifa-drug-tests-negative-world-cup

I like this bit

Wada’s director general, David Howman, applauded Fifa for its tougher stance in a video that was shown at Monday’s news conference. “Hats off to Fifa,” Howman said.