Doping in Soccer/Football

[cocteau_ireland]

Müller Wohlfhart

Don't know about Netherlands though.

Thank god they're out but did u c the amount of running he did,especially in last quarter.

 

[buckle]

Thank God they're out. They remain the dirtiest team in World football. They were nasty in 1974 and 40 years later not much has changed.

 

[Almeisan]

lol you are so nationalistic.

Italy are known heavy dopers and won 4 times. Of course only doping wasn't enough. Buying the referee or opponents is also normal in Italy. That's what you get when you vote the mob to be in charge of your country.

 

[buckle]

lol you are so nationalistic.

Italy are known heavy dopers and won 4 times. Of course only doping wasn't enough. Buying the referee or opponents is also normal in Italy. That's what you get when you vote the mob to be in charge of your country.

I am not Italian. I speak Italian but I also speak French German and Spanish.

"Italy are known heavy dopers and won 4 times" True but I suspect CONI have clamped down unlike elsewhere hence their decline at European club level.

"Buying the referee or opponents is also normal in Italy" Who says so - you? The Calciopoli scandal revealed that the reverse is true. Zero corruption. I mean Zero. The corruption is in TV just like everywhere else (think Phil and Paul). They had the courage to expose it unlike anywhere else.

Italy is run by Goldman Sachs just like everywhere else. No different. Yes "the mob" runs Italy.

 

[Almeisan]

lol

10char

 

[Andynonomous]

I think we should give Italy some credit. They had a dodgy past, but their team was relatively slow compared to most other teams at this years world cup. Italy certainly HAS made some strides to clean up the doping within their country.

 

[Almeisan]

Maybe they just played bad?

 

[The Hitch]

So do steroids increase or decrease risk of injury? You tell me.

Both. Your post its strange, its like you believe all human beings are identical and all human beings are destined to react in the exact same way to every single drug?

The whole point of illegal performance enhancing drugs is that they offer the possibility of health advantages at the risk of health problems. If both of these things were not true they would not be a problem.

Thus some people will get injuries from taking steroids. Others will take bucketloads their whole life and be fine.

What you are saying is the equivalent of - recreational drugs can't possibly kill anyone because Keith Richards is still alive

 

[BradCantona]

I think we should give Italy some credit. They had a dodgy past, but their team was relatively slow compared to most other teams at this years world cup. Italy certainly HAS made some strides to clean up the doping within their country.

Innuendo based on assumption

They followed the pattern of most teams that played in the Amazon this tournament, then bombing in future games. Against England, they looked anything but slow. But England can make tepid sides look like World beaters, so how much can you read from that?

Based on performance, the players of Bayern Munich are the most suspicious this tournament. Well, until Dante stunk the show out in the semis...

 

[Almeisan]

Both. Your post its strange, its like you believe all human beings are identical and all human beings are destined to react in the exact same way to every single drug?

The whole point of illegal performance enhancing drugs is that they offer the possibility of health advantages at the risk of health problems. If both of these things were not true they would not be a problem.

Thus some people will get injuries from taking steroids. Others will take bucketloads their whole life and be fine.

What you are saying is the equivalent of - recreational drugs can't possibly kill anyone because Keith Richards is still alive

How do you know how an athlete will respond to doping when you want to argue he is on it in the first place?

 

[The Hitch]

How do you know how an athlete will respond to doping when you want to argue he is on it in the first place?

Que?

Peds are designed to improve performance and that's what they do. Their sideffects effect people differently though in the short term anyway most dopers seem to be fine enough to continue doping over long periods.

I have never claimed I can tell how any athlete will respond nor has anyone else and I have no clue where you are getting that from.

I suspect what you are trying to say is that no one can judge doping on football based on performance. In which case your use of "you" is unjustified since I never claimed it was. You had that beef with someone else. I came in later to respond to what I consider to be some bizarre points that you made - about how steroids shouldn't be able to both cause and heal injuries.

 

[buckle]

Innuendo based on assumption

They followed the pattern of most teams that played in the Amazon this tournament, then bombing in future games. Against England, they looked anything but slow. But England can make tepid sides look like World beaters, so how much can you read from that?

Based on performance, the players of Bayern Munich are the most suspicious this tournament. Well, until Dante stuck the show out in the semis...

Italy controlled the 3rd game against Uruguay but were undone by a very suspicious red card (they had recovered in other words). Then came the bite and they lost it at the back. Certainly the 2nd performance against CR was an issue and even FIFA became alarmed to the point where seven of the CR players were 'questioned' after the game.

England post-Amazon were also hindered by a dodgy decision (missed red card against U captain) but the Italian red card stood out especially when one looks at FRA v HON which was actually well handled in context.

One of the narratives was for Uruguay to advance in this tournament (Pele wanted a Brazil/Uruguay final) but that narrative was abandoned after the Suarez business.

 

[Andynonomous]

Messi tested after Holland game.


Although much of the testing is random, I suspect (after Costa Rica), that some of the testing is done because of suspicious circumstances/performances.

I wonder if they have suspicions about Messi ?

Or maybe, this is just about public relations (look, we test everybody, including what may be the best player in the game, so you know we are serious about keeping PEDs out of the game).

 

[thrawn]

Messi tested after Holland game.


Although much of the testing is random, I suspect (after Costa Rica), that some of the testing is done because of suspicious circumstances/performances.

I wonder if they have suspicions about Messi ?

I am shocked that they actually bothered to test anyone.

 

[gooner]

Liked this from Bassons in his book.

As for the arguments put forward by the peloton in cycling's defence, there is one that seems perfectly acceptable to me: when it comes to doping, fingers are always pointed at cycling, but the sport doesn't have a monopoly on it. In my position, I can clearly see what is happening in other sports. I have noticed, for example, the routine use of dietary supplements in rugby. Of course, football isn't affected by this scourge..."There is none of that around here" is the clarion from the top brass. This blindness is laughable.

 

[SeriousSam]

Messi probably continues to have a a TUE for HGH.

 

[sniper]

Messi probably continues to have a a TUE for HGH.

not sure if anybody needs a TUE for anything in soccer.
everything goes. both in and out of competition.
and literally nobody cares.
too many people making too good a living out of this sport.

 

[sniper]

Liked this from Bassons in his book.

it's a nice quote, but with "dietary supplements" he's not even scratching the surface.

 

[gooner]

it's a nice quote, but with "dietary supplements" he's not even scratching the surface.

On that I agree but he talks about football and rugby after first saying this.

when it comes to doping, fingers are always pointed at cycling, but the sport doesn't have a monopoly on it

 

[TheSpud]

Based on performance, the players of Bayern Munich are the most suspicious this tournament. Well, until Dante stunk the show out in the semis...

Possible, but the reason the German team looks so good is that half of them play together regularly (for Bayern). That makes a massive difference in football.

 

[Almeisan]

Que?

Peds are designed to improve performance and that's what they do. Their sideffects effect people differently though in the short term anyway most dopers seem to be fine enough to continue doping over long periods.

No they are not. They are substances that generate a certain effect by triggering a certain pathway.
Sometimes they were designed by humans, often they were designed by nature.
They were not designed to improve performance.

I have never claimed I can tell how any athlete will respond nor has anyone else and I have no clue where you are getting that from.

People look at Ronaldo. He got injured. People claim the too much muscle too fast because of steroids theory.
People look at Robben. He wasn't injured for a long time. People claim he is on PEDs.

You can't say Robben dopes because he doesn't get injured and Ronaldo dopes because he did get injured. Doesn't work like that.

I suspect what you are trying to say is that no one can judge doping on football based on performance. In which case your use of "you" is unjustified since I never claimed it was. You had that beef with someone else. I came in later to respond to what I consider to be some bizarre points that you made - about how steroids shouldn't be able to both cause and heal injuries.

Didn't say that.

 

[Andynonomous]

Cheating the beautiful game.

 

[BradCantona]

Possible, but the reason the German team looks so good is that half of them play together regularly (for Bayern). That makes a massive difference in football.

No doubt, but it's been their ability to perform as effectively in the last minute as they have in the first, while others have significantly wilted. Robben for the Dutch has looked on a different planet at times in that regard

 

[buckle]

not sure if anybody needs a TUE for anything in soccer.
everything goes. both in and out of competition.
and literally nobody cares.
too many people making too good a living out of this sport.

The worst a team a team can expect is a warning as per CR. Polite warnings are becoming the norm and one wonders if they operate in tennis as well as in soccer. Perhaps DB has been warned about 'dawg' and will off-load. He sounded bullish about 'deputy dawg's' prospects in the mountains tomorrow as in, "We could still podium here without looking our normally ridiculous selves". He also knows that the British public would regard a podium finish as failure and secondly are very selfish. An example of the latter being a British work colleague of mine who, without any sense of irony, thought that the Tour should be moved to the UK following the triumph in Yorkshire.

 

[Alphabet]

I am not a soccer fan, but I watch the WC for the spectacle. But even I can tell there is a massive difference in level between Robben and just about anyone else. He. does. not. get. tired. period. They should put him on a bike, if he could climb, he'd be keeping up with Froome lol!

Yea, goes through extra time and the guy does not look the least bit tired, whereas tons of players are laying on the ground out of breathe.

A few years ago Robben was ridiculously injury prone and usually wore himself out well before the 90th minute.