Doping in Soccer/Football

[sniper]

Anyone know the usual recovery time for the meniscus injury and surgery Suarez had? A month seems awfully quick.

Vidal too, for that matter

suarez was in a wheel chair a few weeks ago.
injury recovery is not a grey area.
it's a pitch black area.
everything goes, especially in soccer.
the blood spinning and other theoretically illegal methods are not even being covered up.
literally nobody cares.

 

[djpbaltimore]

suarez was in a wheel chair a few weeks ago.
injury recovery is not a grey area.
it's a pitch black area.
everything goes, especially in soccer.
the blood spinning and other theoretically illegal methods are not even being covered up.
literally nobody cares.

I would love to get a behind the scenes look at the programs of the major european teams like Real and Barca. I think the sophistication of what they do would make cyclists' programs seem as archaic as banging rocks together to make fire.

 

[sniper]

... the sophistication of what they do would make cyclists' programs seem as archaic as banging rocks together to make fire.

to be fair though, i do think cyclingn is very up to date when it comes to doping.
how else would you explain the english FA's interest in hiring Brailsford.

One thing is for sure: it's much much easier to dope big time in soccer than it is in cycling.

 

[pancakes]

to be fair though, i do think cyclingn is very up to date when it comes to doping.
how else would you explain the english FA's interest in hiring Brailsford.

One thing is for sure: it's much much easier to dope big time in soccer than it is in cycling.

This. Probably better rewards as well.

Do we all know who the masseur is with Belgium's team in Brazil?




Dirk Nachtergaele.

 

[thrawn]

http://www.smh.com.au/fifa-world-cu...ez-is-the-guest-of-honour-20140626-zslxz.html

'There are rumours of a drug scandal floating around, with half a dozen players of one high-profile team said to have failed a doping test.
We’re told some support staff were kicked out, with players fined and the story kept very quiet.
It’s also speculated several players from one minnow nation were tested, while only two players from their highly fancied opponents that day attracted interest.'

Anyone else's media mention anything about a drugs rumour? I'd be highly surprised if anything came of it.

 

[The Hitch]

http://www.smh.com.au/fifa-world-cu...ez-is-the-guest-of-honour-20140626-zslxz.html
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Jordi Alba seems to have a bit of Wiggins in him. Wonder if he will also be given the moniker "Le Gentleman" by his press after such "colourful" "honest" behaviour.

 

[del1962]

Jordi Alba seems to have a bit of Wiggins in him. Wonder if he will also be given the moniker "Le Gentleman" by his press after such "colourful" "honest" behaviour.

Did Wiggins threatened to rip a journalists head off, I thought that was what Cuddles did

 

[VO2 Max]

'There are rumours of a drug scandal floating around, with half a dozen players of one high-profile team said to have failed a doping test.
We’re told some support staff were kicked out, with players fined and the story kept very quiet.

Sounds VERY similar to the hoax article on nationalreport.net which fooled quite a few people last week. That had 6 players +ve from the Netherlands, privately issued fines, and two of their fitness staff sent home. Fake article becomes rumour via one or two unwitting retellings as fact methinks.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Sounds VERY similar to the hoax article on nationalreport.net which fooled quite a few people last week. That had 6 players +ve from the Netherlands, privately issued fines, and two of their fitness staff sent home. Fake article becomes rumour via one or two unwitting retellings as fact methinks.

No worries, these are the kind of facts the Clinic revels in!

 

[The Hitch]

This. Probably better rewards as well.

Do we all know who the masseur is with Belgium's team in Brazil?




Dirk Nachtergaele.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

suarez was in a wheel chair a few weeks ago.
injury recovery is not a grey area.
it's a pitch black area.
everything goes, especially in soccer.
the blood spinning and other theoretically illegal methods are not even being covered up.
literally nobody cares.

Maybe the playing through the pain explains some things though. Remember the method Fiorenzo Magni went to to race on through the pain?

Poor footballers don't have the option of using inner tube.

 

[moonstation2000]

Been following Costa Rica this world cup. A friend mentioned testing before the last game. They were a different team than in previous games.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/...niform-anti-doping-system-that-wont-generate/

Will see what they are like on Sunday.

 

[RownhamHill]

Anyone know the usual recovery time for the meniscus injury and surgery Suarez had? A month seems awfully quick.

Vidal too, for that matter

I've had that surgery (a couple of times), and while I didn't recover in a month* (probably nearer 2-3), it's not that surprising to me that it's doable - the surgery is key hole so the entry wounds are minimal, and the main issue is just getting rid of the swelling (which takes maybe a week or so) and then recovering flexibility and strength (you get a bit of muscle wastage as a result of the swelling).

They have you on your feet straight away more or less (I'm pretty sure I walked out the hospital, though it's going back a few years). So with a lot of physio and stretching (which you can imagine Suarez was getting) I don't see why it would take that much longer to recover than a month.

That said I don't for a moment think Suarez isn't jacked up to the nines in any case!

*I have a desk job and had half an hour of physio on the NHS every week

 

[Andynonomous]

...
*I have a desk job and had half an hour of physio on the NHS every week

Video of typical experience with the NHS ?

 

[go crazy]

Question...does Arjen Robben ever get tired? He looks like he's about 40 and runs like Usain Bolt, in 100 degree humid weather and doesn't even sweat. And he's from a climate completely opposite of Brazil.

Maybe the speedskating team had some leftover stuff for him???

 

[Andynonomous]

I think it's like the saying "You don't win the TDF without doping".

If a team does well here, they are beating other teams that dope, so odds are they are doping too (although in football, there is more skill involved, so you can win without doping). Italy, Spain and England played slow, compared to the Latin American teams.

Although they won today, Costa Rica was outplayed by Greece. The Costa Rican's did not look like the same team as they did in their first three games. I think the testing threw a scare into them. We will see in their next game, if they find their speed.

 

[sniper]

I think it's like the saying "You don't win the TDF without doping".

If a team does well here, they are beating other teams that dope, so odds are they are doping too (although in football, there is more skill involved, so you can win without doping). Italy, Spain and England played slow, compared to the Latin American teams.

Although they won today, Costa Rica was outplayed by Greece. The Costa Rican's did not look like the same team as they did in their first three games. I think the testing threw a scare into them. We will see in their next game, if they find their speed.

that logic fails

 

[sniper]

Question...does Arjen Robben ever get tired? He looks like he's about 40 and runs like Usain Bolt, in 100 degree humid weather and doesn't even sweat. And he's from a climate completely opposite of Brazil.

Maybe the speedskating team had some leftover stuff for him???

when he was about 16, some predicted him to become 'the next Cruyff', he was that good (and quick) already.
then injuries... well you know the story.

so we are dealing with a very talented guy, who is now florishing with the help of a program - the Bayern Munich program - that is perhaps the most advanced program world wide at this moment.

to be sure, he does also select his runs quite cleverly.
it's not as if he's continuously on the move.

 

[The Hitch]

That said I don't for a moment think Suarez isn't jacked up to the nines in any case!

Why do you trust others but doubt him?

 

[The Hitch]

I think it's like the saying "You don't win the TDF without doping".

If a team does well here, they are beating other teams that dope, so odds are they are doping too (although in football, there is more skill involved, so you can win without doping). Italy, Spain and England played slow, compared to the Latin American teams.

Although they won today, Costa Rica was outplayed by Greece. The Costa Rican's did not look like the same team as they did in their first three games. I think the testing threw a scare into them. We will see in their next game, if they find their speed.

Why would they be scared? No one has tested p at a world cup in 20 years. Fifa have shown the world they don't have balls enough.

 

[Akuryo]

Why would they be scared? No one has tested p at a world cup in 20 years. Fifa have shown the world they don't have balls enough.

THIS! In cycling they are taking urin- and bloodsamples on a daily basis. In other sports that is rarely happening and everybody thinks that only cyclists are doping. Well, and track athletes of course.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

you can count on all big teams to be doped. Nothing new.

All big club teams do it and you can count on the bigger national teams to all have a specific 'preparation' program for the world cup.

 

[Andynonomous]

Gary Lineker @GaryLineker · 44m

European teams appear to be finishing games stronger. Pacing themselves better in the heat, perhaps.

 

[buckle]

Martin Keown

Benzema has been training with Ronaldo at RM, Martin tells us. He has lost weight as a result. The French ran Nigeria ragged in the last 10.

 

[buckle]

Against Italy

Been following Costa Rica this world cup. A friend mentioned testing before the last game. They were a different team than in previous games.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/...niform-anti-doping-system-that-wont-generate/

Will see what they are like on Sunday.

Against Italy they were unreal. The Italians brought on a fast winger as final change (a guy called Cerci much in demand around Europe) and he was immediately triple teamed in searing heat during the last fifteen minutes. Against Greece they cracked a little so perhaps they were spooked by the recent tests. Greece themselves have had a big doping reputation since 2004. I suspect the Italians are doping less today and they struggle in domestic European tournaments which they used to dominate.