Doping in Soccer/Football

[The Hitch]

Figure what? .....another one of your lowlanders cant climb style theory? ..not saying costa ricans are not doping, i have doubt about them myself but what has population got to do with it? india has 1.237 bil and china has 1.351 billion

Zam. I understand you are upset. Your clean eytalians got conned by dirty Hispanic Costa Rican cheaters.
It's really unfair.
I sympathize with y'all

 

[l.Harm]

That's not his point

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Whose point? and hitch is probably joking as he knows my stance.

 

[The Hitch]

That's not his point

I, Harm

R E L A X

Me and Zaman go back to when Moses wore short pants.

It was just banter

We are in agreement. Sniper makes good points often but he also does have a habbit of letting his mind wander at times when it comes to doping.

Country size is only one variable, a very small one and not one to make guesses on who is doping on.

 

[l.Harm]

Sorry then

 

[sniper]

Figure what? .....another one of your lowlanders cant climb style theory? ..not saying costa ricans are not doping, i have doubt about them myself but what has population got to do with it? india has 1.237 bil and china has 1.351 billion

com'on zam, pay hommage to your signature.

you do make a valid point wrt country size, iow i agree it's not a good indicator.
to be sure i checked costa rica's soccer history and it's quite decent actually.

just to clarify.
lowlanders can't climb isn;t my theory.
it's the theory of 9 out of 10 cycling commentators.
does "he grew up in the mountains" ring a bell?
the title of the thread was tongue in cheeck but that apparently got lost. my bad.

 

[blackcat]

com'on zam, pay hommage to your signature.

you do make a valid point wrt country size, iow i agree it's not a good indicator.
to be sure i checked costa rica's soccer history and it's quite decent actually.

just to clarify.
lowlanders can't climb isn;t my theory.
it's the theory of 9 out of 10 cycling commentators.
does "he grew up in the mountains" ring a bell?
the title of the thread was tongue in cheeck but that apparently got lost. my bad.

a better indicator, use michael porter's cluster theory, see how many nobel's israel have per capita, then look at the GDP per capita, and it should be a bell shape, where low'ish gdp enables a nation to afford football infrastrucure (unlike swimming/golf/icehockey) and where a richer country, will afford great international competitiveness in underage levels where there are infinite resources for the best and brightest, but after underage, they come way back to the field, and are considered to "underperform". P'raps, at underage level, a rich country will overperform, as its catchment for potential talent, is 100%. In a country like nigeria, they will miss talent. england, no chance.

In a country like england, the avenues for a youth are nigh infinite, they dont have to play soccer for their leisure and entertainment. Brazil, nigeria, there are few option.

Its pretty clear why a larger, richer country, may be seen to "underperform". The reality as you dig down, is anything but. Its pretty clear actually.

 

[Andynonomous]

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[sniper]

a better indicator, use michael porter's cluster theory, see how many nobel's israel have per capita, then look at the GDP per capita, and it should be a bell shape, where low'ish gdp enables a nation to afford football infrastrucure (unlike swimming/golf/icehockey) and where a richer country, will afford great international competitiveness in underage levels where there are infinite resources for the best and brightest, but after underage, they come way back to the field, and are considered to "underperform". P'raps, at underage level, a rich country will overperform, as its catchment for potential talent, is 100%. In a country like nigeria, they will miss talent. england, no chance.

In a country like england, the avenues for a youth are nigh infinite, they dont have to play soccer for their leisure and entertainment. Brazil, nigeria, there are few option.

Its pretty clear why a larger, richer country, may be seen to "underperform". The reality as you dig down, is anything but. Its pretty clear actually.

good points, bc. food for thought.

@andynonomous, interesting stat!

 

[Andynonomous]

I previously theorized that the Olympic home team would be more likely to dope. This may be true for the World cup "home team" (not just Brazil, but all of Latin America).

The Europeans look dead slow, compared to the Latin American teams this year.

I think it is very easy to tell which teams are using stamina-increasing substances. Late in the second half, are their defenders always right on top of the other team as soon as they get the ball (true of Spain 2010, not true of Spain 2014)?

 

[buckle]

I think it is very easy to tell which teams are using stamina-increasing substances. Late in the second half, are their defenders always right on top of the other team as soon as they get the ball ?

Like Costa Rica in their first two games against top ten opposition?

 

[poupou]

I previously theorized that the Olympic home team would be more likely to dope. This may be true for the World cup "home team" (not just Brazil, but all of Latin America).

The Europeans look dead slow, compared to the Latin American teams this year.

I think it is very easy to tell which teams are using stamina-increasing substances. Late in the second half, are their defenders always right on top of the other team as soon as they get the ball ?

No they all dope. The difference, is that players from small clubs are still fresh while the best are alredy washed physically and mentaly.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Good article by Juliet Macur re: Football. Classic sarcasm, worthy of the Clinic's best.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/s...c=edit_tnt_20140620&nlid=60818045&tntemail0=y

 

[l.Harm]

Xabi Alonso, a Spanish defender

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

- not discrediting her piece of work though. But this kind of mistakes aren't really good for the credibility of the article.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Good read. FIFA are beyond the pale, far worse than the UCI have ever been, as they are run right now by Blatter. There is little I do not think them capable of, covering up doping is the least of that too...

I mean how many migrant workers have to die to build stadiums in Qatar for the farce of a World Cup there in 2022?

 

[The Hitch]

Good article by Juliet Macur re: Football. Classic sarcasm, worthy of the Clinic's best.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/s...c=edit_tnt_20140620&nlid=60818045&tntemail0=y

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Also her sarcasm is mocking your belief that doping wouldn't make a difference in football. That seems to have gone over your head.

 

[sniper]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

- not discrediting her piece of work though. But this kind of mistakes aren't really good for the credibility of the article.

c'mon, she's american.
(and i don't think there's something called a "midfield" in american football.)

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Posted 1 page ago

Also her sarcasm is mocking your belief that doping wouldn't make a difference in football. That seems to have gone over your head.

Sorry, I have a life (unlike others whose lives are hitched to the hip of the Clinic) so I don't always read yesterday's news.

No, you are wrong again. I said doping would not make a difference in basketball particularly as it related to athletes like Kevin Durant. Don't you ever get your facts straight? Oh yeah, your the guy that doesn't deal in facts, just speculation, innuendo and gossip!

 

[blackcat]

Sorry, I have a life (unlike others whose lives are hitched to the hip of the Clinic) so I don't always read yesterday's news.

No, you are wrong again. I said doping would not make a difference in basketball particularly as it related to athletes like Kevin Durant. Don't you ever get your facts straight? Oh yeah, your the guy that doesn't deal in facts, just speculation, innuendo and gossip!

doping makes a difference to everyone. but just in different ways. you have demonstrated your ignorance again Robbie, and i would implore you to alter your handle on behalf of your fellow canadians, cos you come across as full of $hit.

if kenyan 800 metre runners and other runners in midlle distance and long distnace can take roids and get benefits, a string bean like Kareem Abdul Jabaar would have got great aid if he had tried PEds.

even tho the type of player like Kevin Durant and Larry Bird, may rely on guile, skill, nuance, finesse, more than their competitor, and it is these facets that indeed make them MVPs, if you are playing against a doped peloton, and in the 4th quarter, they keepon running their 4 second flat 40 yard time, when the game is on the line, Kevin Durant gotta match their 4 second 40yard time in the 4th quarter on the fast break.

the point

not Kevin Durant qua Kevin Durant.

but
Kevin Durant, in a doped peloton, you need to triangulate Durant v competition.

 

[sniper]

am watching the netherlands-chile game.
don't remember alexis sanchez ever playing so dominantly for barcelona.
the whole team is incredibly strong though in all areas.

 

[The Hitch]

Sorry, I have a life (unlike others whose lives are hitched to the hip of the Clinic) so I don't always read yesterday's news.

No, you are wrong again. I said doping would not make a difference in basketball particularly as it related to athletes like Kevin Durant. Don't you ever get your facts straight? Oh yeah, your the guy that doesn't deal in facts, just speculation, innuendo and gossip!

Messi, who you said you know is clean, is a basketball player now? Damn, I thought Allen Iverson had a height disadvantage but, Leo..., how's he do it?

 

[gooner]

There was extra testing on Spain and Portugal as well.

But Jiri Dvorak, FIFA’s chief medical officer, said today that Spanish and Portuguese players had also been subjected to supplementary testing and that they had seen no reason to complain. Dvorak added: “If we do not do this we are not fulfilling our duties and then questions would be asked.”

Dvorak explained the context of additional checks on players involved in the Champions League Final and who had not thus been tested in the run-up to the finals.

He said: “When the Spanish team lost [against Chile] I was in Maracana for this match and in the Spanish team there were those players who participated in the Champions League so we tested, as well as the two as standard, an additional five players from Spain – also the Portuguese players who were in the Champions League Final including Cristiano Ronaldo.

Costa Rica manager talking about it again today.

Ticos’ coach Pinto returned to theme in Belo Horizonte, virtually at the same time as Dvorak was speaking in Rio.

Pinto said: “We feel uncomfortable. It was not done tactfully. Public opinion ended up thinking that FIFA feared something. Fine to do anti-doping controls but don’t give the idea that there is something amiss.

“Were they just thinking we ran too fast? We are very well prepared. I’d like to see Brazil subjected to the same thing.

http://keirradnedge.com/2014/06/23/...-surprise-dope-tests-on-anyone-thats-the-job/

 

[luckyboy]

Anyone know the usual recovery time for the meniscus injury and surgery Suarez had? A month seems awfully quick.

Vidal too, for that matter