Doping in XC skiing

[Kokoso]

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Well, if you argue that someone is suspicious, because he/she is on form just for the championships, you can also argue it's suspicious that someone can be stunningly good for the whole season and not get worn out. In the end this argument is a dead-end.

That's misunderstanding, I argue neither of the options, my point is different, hence I do not quote Bullsfan22.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Well, if you argue that someone is suspicious, because he/she is on form just for the championships, you can also argue it's suspicious that someone can be stunningly good for the whole season and not get worn out. In the end this argument is a dead-end.

My argument has always boiled down to that the top skiers are all on something. If 2nd and 3rd place are caught doping, for example, there is no chance the winner is clean. Hitting your peak at the championships so often after feigning sickness and doing one or two races before worlds or Olympics, then all of a sudden have no issues skiing 3 or 4 races within a week is suspicious.

 

[Discgear]

Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claims he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

 

[BullsFan22]

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Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claimes he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

And I hope Frenchfry will be suspicious of those two just as he was with Bolshunov last weekend. If Bolshunov is doping, then those two are as well. There's no in between.

 

[Saint Unix]

Let's not forget Lil' Miss Lipbalm friggin' shattering the field in the womens' race.

 

[frenchfry]

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Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claimes he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

And I hope Frenchfry will be suspicious of those two just as he was with Bolshunov last weekend. If Bolshunov is doping, then those two are as well. There's no in between.

Sometimes I think you only see what you want to see. Last time I commented I compared Bolshunov's performance to Johaug (who is Norwegian as I recall). I am not only suspicious of the Russians, however they are near the top of the list. The Norwegians with their state of the art inhalation set-up aren't any better.

Are only the French clean?

 

[BullsFan22]

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Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claimes he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

And I hope Frenchfry will be suspicious of those two just as he was with Bolshunov last weekend. If Bolshunov is doping, then those two are as well. There's no in between.

Sometimes I think you only see what you want to see. Last time I commented I compared Bolshunov's performance to Johaug (who is Norwegian as I recall). I am not only suspicious of the Russians, however they are near the top of the list. The Norwegians with their state of the art inhalation set-up aren't any better.

Are only the French clean?

No the French aren't clean either, they wouldn't be so far up in the rankings if they were. Last time I checked 5th and 8th place is pretty high on the list, for any team. Skis and conditions today helped. Please, this is like the French telling all of us that they are the only ones clean in the Tour de France, when that just isn't the case.

France almost beat Russia in the men's relay in 2014 when the Russians were 'allegedly' doping, then they beat the Russians in 2015 in Falun.

 

[frenchfry]

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Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claimes he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

And I hope Frenchfry will be suspicious of those two just as he was with Bolshunov last weekend. If Bolshunov is doping, then those two are as well. There's no in between.

Sometimes I think you only see what you want to see. Last time I commented I compared Bolshunov's performance to Johaug (who is Norwegian as I recall). I am not only suspicious of the Russians, however they are near the top of the list. The Norwegians with their state of the art inhalation set-up aren't any better.

Are only the French clean?

No the French aren't clean either, they wouldn't be so far up in the rankings if they were. Last time I checked 5th and 8th place is pretty high on the list, for any team. Skis and conditions today helped. Please, this is like the French telling all of us that they are the only ones clean in the Tour de France, when that just isn't the case.

France almost beat Russia in the men's relay in 2014 when the Russians were 'allegedly' doping, then they beat the Russians in 2015 in Falun.

You need a bit of a sense of humour!

 

[meat puppet]

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Let's not forget Lil' Miss Lipbalm friggin' shattering the field in the womens' race.

Yes.

Both women and men's skiathlon races were decided in a segment that lasted for ca 2-3min. In women, it was the first minutes of the race. Funny that.

 

[zarnack]

Talking about doping here, any idea, what Johaug could be doing? And let's not compare to other countries, is she for example doing anything different to her own team-mates? She easily pulls a minute on them, and her Norwegian team-mates are some of the best of the world.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Two crippled Norwegians winning gold and bronze. The rheumatic Röthe who this year has risen like the Phoenix after TUEs on new medication. And of course asthmatic Johnsrud Sundby who claimes he has only 80% of the lung capacity of an ordinary untrained man in his age,

And I hope Frenchfry will be suspicious of those two just as he was with Bolshunov last weekend. If Bolshunov is doping, then those two are as well. There's no in between.

Sometimes I think you only see what you want to see. Last time I commented I compared Bolshunov's performance to Johaug (who is Norwegian as I recall). I am not only suspicious of the Russians, however they are near the top of the list. The Norwegians with their state of the art inhalation set-up aren't any better.

Are only the French clean?

No the French aren't clean either, they wouldn't be so far up in the rankings if they were. Last time I checked 5th and 8th place is pretty high on the list, for any team. Skis and conditions today helped. Please, this is like the French telling all of us that they are the only ones clean in the Tour de France, when that just isn't the case.

France almost beat Russia in the men's relay in 2014 when the Russians were 'allegedly' doping, then they beat the Russians in 2015 in Falun.

You need a bit of a sense of humour!

You need to work on your sarcasm

 

[Bavarianrider]

BREAKING NEWS :surprised: :surprised:

German media report a raid is going on against German and Austrian Athetes/doctors connected with nordic sports. Police is seacrhing multiple locations at the moment. Nearby Seefeld as well as within Germany!

 

[Bavarianrider]

Seems like Dürr told officials some names. The ring leader seems to be from the German state of Thüringen, so the area of Oberhof.

 

[ppanther92]

against German and Austrian Athetes/doctors connected with nordic sports

Where is this stated? All that is known for now, is that multiple team camps in Seefeld and one doctor in Erfurt (Germany) are searched. Nothing more until yet.

 

[ppanther92]

Seems like Dürr told officials some names. The ring leader seems to be from the German state of Thüringen, so the area of Oberhof.

This seems to be true, however. Dürr has now cooperated. So yes, it is not unlikely that mostly Austrians and Germans may be involved.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Athletes from Austria, Estland and Kasachstan have been caught blood dooing at Seefeld!!!
Presss conference at 3. pm!

Haha those Austrians skiers never fail to amaze :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Bavarianrider]

Austrian skiiers Baldhauf und Hauke have been arrested.

Seriously, how stupid can you possibly be, always the Austrians get busted :lol: :lol:

 

[BullsFan22]

Athletes from Austria, Estland and Kasachstan have been caught blood dooing at Seefeld!!!
Presss conference at 3. pm!

Haha those Austrians skiers never fail to amaze :lol: :lol: :lol:

You laugh, but I think that’s sad. Estonia and Kazakhstan don’t have the means to ‘mask’ their substances or get some high quality dope mechanisms. It makes you wonder what the bigger fish are doing.

Wonder how much of an impact that will have on these last few races. Wonder if any significant drop offs will be seen. But then again, the weather is so warm that that will likely be the case for a number of the contenders.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Poltoranin also arrested!

 

[search]

Poltoranin also arrested!

him and Andrus Veerpalu are working together for a couple of years already, he even moved to Estonia a while ago I think. So that both him and Veerpalu's son are affected in the same way, is not that much of a surprise

 

[zarnack]

Is it logical that some total outsiders like Estonians (well, nowadays, not 10 years ago) use doping, while top athletes are clean? Well, hell no.

I think it simply shows that big teams also must have excellent medical team to support them. Sportsmen are unlikely to know all the nuances and smaller teams with less support in every area (including medical support) are more likely to make mistakes.

Reminds me, how Finland got caught in 2001. Their medical people thought that hemohes couldn't be discovered. Well, that was a costly error! The likes of Norway and Sweden so far have managed to stay up to date and not make such mistakes. Apart from Johaug obviously.

Sad about Poltoranin though. XC just keeps suffering with more competitive nations dropping out.

 

[Robert5091]

Today's raid -

 

[Oude Geuze]

It’s incredible how clean nations like Sweden and Norway can compete when seemingly every other nation is blood doping except for the North Americans. Sad to see poltoranin go, but such is life, cleaner field tomorrow I gues!

 

[markene2]

Poltoranin also arrested!

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[Gigs_98]

Wow Austrians get caught doping, so shocking, my pulse almost didn't go down reading this, that's how shocked I am