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You know very well that the medic didn't go to one of the two real pharmacies in Livigno. Instead, he took a 125 meter walk from the hotel to a parafarmacia (drugstore).
And your first sentence about the doctor is ridiculous as is the Johaug explanation. If "her cream" had been in the medical box, the medic wouldn't have had to travel from Norway to Italy to help her. Then someone else could had given her the desperately needed lip cream. So, the doctor must have known that "her cream" was missing.
Why the heck then, didn't he bring the right cream from Norway? He had 4 days to acquire it after Johaug calling, before he travelled. Or if he forgot to bring it: Why didn't he go to a pharmacy in Livigno.
So many wrongs of you ToreBear, and since you have followed the thread I call it flat out dishonesty by you.ToreBear said:Kokoso said:Biggest trouble for me is yourargumentation being to funny :razz: Another big trouble for me is you saying athlete is not responsible for what he takes.ToreBear said:Since you guys seem to have the most trouble with my arguments regarding perception error
I have no problem with perception error, since I don't really think it's an issue here. Doctor has to be too damn aware of possible forbiden substance, so I expect him to be really meticulous. Athlete has to be aware of possible forbiden substance presence, so I expect him to be really meticulous, too. If they were so careless not to care about what is inside the tube, they should ne punished anyway. Every athlete proffesional athlete's agree's to follow anti-doping rules. To take care what's inside any tube is his/her responsibility.
You have more steps of control here: first is doctor, second Johaug. I hold my stance that it is not thing of wrong perception at all. First step Ok, so doctor is mentally *** or whatever and doesn't care about what is inside the tube (which is not only about seeing the DOPING inscription and red sign, but also check composition, so that makes another step of control where you can notice mistake). That is minus two steps of control. You have thid one and that is athlete, who asks: "what is inside the tube? Isn't forbidden substance there? Shom me/tell me, doc". Now doctor says "I didn't check, use it." Athlete uses it. That is at least three, or four steps of control. Definitely not thing of wrong preception. If athletes doesn't care of what he/he uses and only relied on doctor, it's athlete's fault anyway, cause he/she obligued to follow anti-doping rules.
P.S. do you really think that was good example how Johaug and doctor fail to notice that sign? Do you think it's comparable? Do you think that four pharmacologists at pharmacy were passing the box with tube inside and doctor or Johaug had to catch it and unwrap it while pharmacologists were trying to take that away from them? Totally ridiculous example.
I don't see many of the premises of arguments being grounded in facts, and there seems to be a lot of confusion here. I can't correct it all because I don't have the time or the patience.
First the Doctor:
He arrived at the pharmacy needing a cream that could replace the one that was supposed to be in the medical box. The cream he needed would need to contain antibiotics.
He arrived wearing XC national team atire and explained to the pharmacist that he was from the national team, and what Johaugs problem was and that she needed cream or something for the problem.
- Here the doctor is likely to assume that she might have a general idea that doping= bad. He might then assume he is steered clear of such products especially since...
You know very well that the medic didn't go to one of the two real pharmacies in Livigno. Instead, he took a 125 meter walk from the hotel to a parafarmacia (drugstore).
And your first sentence about the doctor is ridiculous as is the Johaug explanation. If "her cream" had been in the medical box, the medic wouldn't have had to travel from Norway to Italy to help her. Then someone else could had given her the desperately needed lip cream. So, the doctor must have known that "her cream" was missing.
Why the heck then, didn't he bring the right cream from Norway? He had 4 days to acquire it after Johaug calling, before he travelled. Or if he forgot to bring it: Why didn't he go to a pharmacy in Livigno.