Doping inspector backs Armstrong

[350Watts]

I think we can all agree that cheating is cheating, and that Armstrong doesn't deserve any of his podium spots from any of his tours. Surely you have to agree with that.

And to whom do you give his podium spots? The next guy in line, ...... ha, ha ha.... the guy 15 spots down ....... still LMAO.

 

[Digger]

I think he was still recovering from cancer in 1999, as evidenced by his TUE.

That he lied about for two weeks.
And that he said was for saddle sores.
And you believe it cancer related?

 

[Anonymous]

And to whom do you give his podium spots? The next guy in line, ...... ha, ha ha.... the guy 15 spots down ....... still LMAO.

I think we can all agree that leaving the trophies on the podium would have been the best option. Surely we can all see the logic of that?

 

[bianchigirl]

He was asked by Equipe in 1999 if he had any TUEs for EPO - he said he had not TUEs for anything. Now, EPO you could understand in a therapeutic context but the cortisones? That's like the old bollox about Actovegin being used for road rash.

Contrary to the popular adage, you clearly can fool some people - if they're acolytes of Armstrong - all of the time

 

[Sprocket01]

He was asked by Equipe in 1999 if he had any TUEs for EPO - he said he had not TUEs for anything. Now, EPO you could understand in a therapeutic context but the cortisones? That's like the old bollox about Actovegin being used for road rash.

Contrary to the popular adage, you clearly can fool some people - if they're acolytes of Armstrong - all of the time

I've used cortisoid cream for saddle sores and eczema, so you're not right to dismiss this. It's backed up by the trace elements that were found - not enough for a positive test and gave no performance enhancement. He may not have had a TUE because the cream is so easy to get hold of over the counter.

 

[Digger]

I've used cortisoid cream for saddle sores and eczema, so you're not right to dismiss this. It's backed up by the trace elements that were found - not enough for a positive test and gave no performance enhancement. He may not have had a TUE because the cream is so easy to get hold of over the counter.

Why lie about taking it for two weeks?

 

[Anonymous]

I've used cortisoid cream for saddle sores and eczema, so you're not right to dismiss this. It's backed up by the trace elements that were found - not enough for a positive test and gave no performance enhancement. He may not have had a TUE because the cream is so easy to get hold of over the counter.

I think we can all agree that he didn't have a TUE, but then did have one later and that his donation to the UCI later is the reason for backdating it. Surely we can all agree on that?

 

[poupou]

I've used cortisoid cream for saddle sores and eczema, so you're not right to dismiss this. It's backed up by the trace elements that were found - not enough for a positive test and gave no performance enhancement. He may not have had a TUE because the cream is so easy to get hold of over the counter.

There are other idiots who drink Jack Daniels to cure their allegate dehydration.
Stupid people can use a such cream to increase their saddle sore.

 

[Race Radio]

I've used cortisoid cream for saddle sores and eczema, so you're not right to dismiss this. It's backed up by the trace elements that were found - not enough for a positive test and gave no performance enhancement. He may not have had a TUE because the cream is so easy to get hold of over the counter.

I think we can all agree that the Cortisone in Armstrong's sample did not come from saddle sore cream.

The 1999 Tour was the first to test for artificial Cortisone. It was a new test that the riders were unaware of. When Kevin Livingston found out it he ran into Armstrong room in full panic mode. They then proceeded to invent the back dated TUE, even though the amount found was more then what would result from a topical cream. Emma O'Reily witnessed the entire episode and Armstrong told her afterward "You now know enough to take me down". To show his appreciation for being allowed to stay in the Tour Armstrong gave the UCI $500,000.

We should be honest about this, Armstrong tested positive.

 

[Sprocket01]

There are other idiots who drink Jack Daniels to cure their allegate dehydration.
Stupid people can use a such cream to increase their saddle sore.

You shouldn't use it all the time because prolonged use can thin the skin. But for a big tour once a year it could be a good tool to have in your arsenal.

If you think about it the cortisoid allegation doesn't sit well next to the EPO allegation. If you were on full dosages of EPO then what the hell would you need cortisoid for performance usage?

 

[Race Radio]

You shouldn't use it all the time because prolonged use can thin the skin. But for a big tour once a year it could be a good tool to have in your arsenal.

If you think about it the cortisoid allegation doesn't sit well next to the EPO allegation. If you were on full dosages of EPO then what the hell would you need cortisoid for performance usage?

Most informed observers know that Cortisone and EPO provide distinctly different advantages. On this we can all agree.

 

[350Watts]

I think we can all agree that leaving the trophies on the podium would have been the best option. Surely we can all see the logic of that?

Nice thought.

 

[Sprocket01]

To me it makes more sense than the rumour and gossip.

 

[Mellow Velo]

To me it makes more sense than the rumour and gossip.

Stands to reason that your twaddle would make more sense to you.
The fact that it makes no sense to the rest of us, I think you'll agree, is irrelevant.

 

[Digger]

You shouldn't use it all the time because prolonged use can thin the skin. But for a big tour once a year it could be a good tool to have in your arsenal.

If you think about it the cortisoid allegation doesn't sit well next to the EPO allegation. If you were on full dosages of EPO then what the hell would you need cortisoid for performance usage?

Sprocket, do you not remember how we all agreed on riders, when they do dope, usually dope with four or five different products.
You surely agree...

 

[Sprocket01]

Stands to reason that your twaddle would make more sense to you.
The fact that it makes no sense to the rest of us, I think you'll agree, is irrelevant.

Um, since when did a couple of conspiracy theorist haters who always take the most extreme anti Armstrong view on everything, thus descrediting themselves, become "the rest of us"? I think the majority of people accept the cortisoid cream explanation. We know it works very well for saddle sore - better than anything else I've used - and it was trace elements, not enough for a positive test.

 

[workingclasshero]

I think we can all agree that he didn't have a TUE, but then did have one later and that his donation to the UCI later is the reason for backdating it. Surely we can all agree on that?

I think we can all agree that the Cortisone in Armstrong's sample did not come from saddle sore cream.

The 1999 Tour was the first to test for artificial Cortisone. It was a new test that the riders were unaware of. When Kevin Livingston found out it he ran into Armstrong room in full panic mode. They then proceeded to invent the back dated TUE, even though the amount found was more then what would result from a topical cream. Emma O'Reily witnessed the entire episode and Armstrong told her afterward "You now know enough to take me down". To show his appreciation for being allowed to stay in the Tour Armstrong gave the UCI $500,000.

We should be honest about this, Armstrong tested positive.

Stands to reason that your twaddle would make more sense to you.
The fact that it makes no sense to the rest of us,I think you'll agree, is irrelevant.

Sprocket, do you not remember how we all agreed on riders, when they do dope, usually dope with four or five different products.
You surely agree...

i guess i agree anyway

 

[Sprocket01]

Sprocket, do you not remember how we all agreed on riders, when they do dope, usually dope with four or five different products.
You surely agree...

I think we can all agree that I didn't agree on this. Remember we're talking 1999 when doping procedures were not so elaborate - no micro dosing on the EPO. I don't see why they'd need to play around with more old fashioned substances.

 

[workingclasshero]

Um, since when did a couple of conspiracy theorist haters who always take the most extreme anti Armstrong view on everything, thus descrediting themselves, become "the rest of us"? I think the majority of people accept the cortisoid cream explanation. We know it works very well for saddle sore - better than anything else I've used - and it was trace elements, not enough for a positive test.

what do they hate? conspiracy theories?

bwt i think we can all agree that the term 'haters' means the posters opinions can't be taken seriously. what are you, eight?

 

[Digger]

Um, since when did a couple of conspiracy theorist haters who always take the most extreme anti Armstrong view on everything, thus descrediting themselves, become "the rest of us"? I think the majority of people accept the cortisoid cream explanation. We know it works very well for saddle sore - better than anything else I've used - and it was trace elements, not enough for a positive test.

I think we're all agreed that everyone accepts he doped with cortisone and EPO in the 1999 tour. Everyone does.

 

[Sprocket01]

I think we're all agreed that everyone accepts he doped with cortisone and EPO in the 1999 tour. Everyone does.

I think we can all agree to use the term 'all agree' about something that there is a consensus about, such as Armstrong is one of the all time great tour riders. We don't blithely assert it about strongly disputed subjects such as the cortisoid issue. Can we agree about this?

 

[Mellow Velo]

what do they hate? conspiracy theories?
what are you, eight?

Damn straight. An 8 YO's conspiracy theory is emminently hateable.
I think we all agree on this...

I think we're all agreed that everyone accepts he doped with cortisone and EPO in the 1999 tour. Everyone does.

Agreed.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think we can all agree that the next person who uses the phrase "I think we can all agree" or any of its derivatives should recieve a lifetime ban.

 

[Race Radio]

Um, since when did a couple of conspiracy theorist haters who always take the most extreme anti Armstrong view on everything, thus descrediting themselves, become "the rest of us"? I think the majority of people accept the cortisoid cream explanation. We know it works very well for saddle sore - better than anything else I've used - and it was trace elements, not enough for a positive test.

I admit, I hate conspiracy theories. The comical conspiracy of the French spiking the 1999 samples is one of the more absurd.

Armstrong told Emma that she now had enough to bring him down. He knew that the TUE was a lie

 

[workingclasshero]

I think we can all agree that the next person who uses the phrase "I think we can all agree" or any of its derivatives should recieve a lifetime ban.

i agree. i don't really