Dr Ferrari -vs- Lemond

[buckwheat]

Just presenting the facts. That Armstrong chasing down a rider, has nothing to do with credibility.
You'll surely agree with that... it would be a bit of a stretch, otherwise.

Just an impartial, disinterested observer!

The fact is that your boy Pharmstrong did chase Simeoni down. As for the rest of your facts, eh...

You misread human nature, and by a lot!

 

[CitizenErased]

Just an impartial, disinterested observer!

The fact is that your boy Pharmstrong did chase Simeoni down. As for the rest of your facts, eh...

You misread human nature, and by a lot!

Oh no, you did. I feel sorry for you.
Pharmstrong did chase him down. And? What has that to do with credibility?
Maybe in your universe...

 

[alanshearer]

BEEP Wrong answer.

Go get the court papers of Ferrari's trial. Read them carefully, then you'll see what you wrote is not only false, but defamatory. Shall we call upon this Forum's administrator for violation of rules?

Don't believe Ferrari? Fine by me and everyone here I suppose... but you will believe what the judicial court ruled, no?

Fair enough. Where can I view these court papers? Do you have a link? Have you read them?

 

[buckwheat]

Oh no, you did. I feel sorry for you.
Pharmstrong did chase him down. And? What has that to do with credibility?
Maybe in your universe...

WTF are you talking about?

You said you're presenting facts.

One fact is that Pharmstrong chased down Simeoni.

I haven't seen many other facts from you.

 

[CitizenErased]

Fair enough. Where can I view these court papers? Do you have a link? Have you read them?

Unfortunately you can't find them anymore anywhere, they used to be on http://www.sportpro.it but they have been removed.

 

[buckwheat]

Fair enough. Where can I view these court papers? Do you have a link? Have you read them?

Don't get hooked into his nonsense.

Frankie is lying too about prospectively paying a large % of salary for a prescription of Intervals?

Please.

 

[callac]

Fair enough. Where can I view these court papers? Do you have a link? Have you read them?

Question asked 3 times now... still waiting and still counting

 

[alanshearer]

But my friend, the truth on the matter (Lemond's false statements) has already been established by court trial. And Lemond's statements are false, whether you like it or not, it's been proved.

Now, you wanna bring Simeoni in? Fine, I'll just state true facts documented in the trial to bring the truth to you.

You do understand that a trial only establishes "truth" in a very limited sense.

 

[buckwheat]

Unfortunately you can't find them anymore anywhere, they used to be on http://www.sportpro.it but they have been removed.

WTF is this "citizen erased" horse$hit?

Are you one of these Tea party imbeciles also?

Ladies and Gentlemen we have Tim Herman with us!

 

[131313]

Why is that a given? I don't think Ferrari had any relationship with Lemond, much less a close one.

That story you linked is classic.

my bad, I misspoke, I meant with Armstrong.

And yeah, that story about him and his daughter should give you a lot of insight into the guy, particularly his response! The entire article is a good read as well.

 

[callac]

WTF is this "citizen erased" horse$hit?

Song by Muse, composer Matt Bellamy, now dating Kate Hudson... No idea where that's supposed to lead us though..

 

[MacRoadie]

No idea where that's supposed to lead us though..

It'll lead you to someone who quite likely should be spending some time on a psychiatrist's couch...

 

[Big Doopie]

ferrari is not a coach.

he is a hematologist.

the fact that some fans accept that their favorite rider needs a hematologist as "coach" says a lot about how accepted blood doping is. if you are clean and have no intention of doping why would you ever get the expertise of a hematologist?

the only reason is the one all the riders and their wives know. to blood dope (just like vino did while under ferrari's care).

ferrari is a hematologist -- nothing more.

and the fact that lemond is mentioned in the donati papers is not news everybody. it has long been used as a distraction by the PS gang.

 

[buckwheat]

Song by Muse, composer Matt Bellamy, now dating Kate Hudson... No idea where that's supposed to lead us though..

Damn, I'm out of it.

BTW, this Kate Hudson is [edited] nuts! She wasn't dating A Fraud too long ago or Pharmstrong for that matter. [edited].

 

[Elagabalus]

You do understand that a trial only establishes "truth" in a very limited sense.

Yes, I think he understands that. He's saying that that "limited sense" also applies to Lemond when Lemond is speaking in a public forum.

And he does have a point.

 

[CitizenErased]

Yes, I think he understands that. He's saying that that "limited sense" also applies to Lemond when Lemond is speaking in a public forum.

And he does have a point.

Exactly. Unfortunately some people won't see that, no matter what.

I restate: find yourselves the paper of the trial and Dossier Donati, if you are interested in the matter.
I have had the chance to read them both, unfortunately I cannot provide any of them to you.

 

[CitizenErased]

The subtext that is missing here is that Ferrari has directly entered the fray. And for what? An anecdotal story of a young bike racer who passed away.

The news should be that Ferrari chose to undertake a direct and open letter to "address" the Lemond claims that Ferrari and his methods are one of the greatest problems in cycling.

The way I see it, and it seems pretty clear, is that Lemond wrote things on a public source that have been proven false in judicial court. He cannot do that, it's defamation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari actually chose to sue him.

 

[MacRoadie]

The way I see it, and it seems pretty clear, is that Lemond wrote things on a public source that have been proven false in judicial court. He cannot do that, it's defamation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari actually chose to sue him.

Yeah, that seems to have worked out well for everyone who's sued him in the past.

 

[buckwheat]

Citizen erased lyrics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BLZZAS7EE

I'm going with the psychiatrist's couch..



Break me in,
Teach us to cheat
And to lie, cover up
What shouldn't be shared?
All the truth unwinding
Scraping away
At my mind
Please stop asking me to describe him

For one moment
I wish you'd hold your stage
With no feelings at all
Open minded
I'm sure I used to be so free

Self expressed, exhausting for all
To see and to be
What you want and what you need
The truth unwinding
Scraping away
At my mind
Please stop asking me to describe

For one moment
I wish you'd hold your stage
With no feelings at all
Open minded
I'm sure I used to be so free

For one moment
I wish you'd hold your stage
With no feelings at all
Open minded
I'm sure I used to be so free

Wash me away
Clean your body of me
Erase all the memories
They will only bring us pain
And I've seen all I'll ever need

 

[buckwheat]

Yes, I think he understands that. He's saying that that "limited sense" also applies to Lemond when Lemond is speaking in a public forum.
And he does have a point.

He's saying basically nothing.


What LeMond is saying is, 'that I know Ferrari is a fraud, I'm going to say WTF I want to, despite any omerta or threats, and if you want to sue me, go ahead and I'll destroy you.'

So much for this "limited sense" bs the only point of which is to distract from the truth.

 

[buckwheat]

The way I see it, and it seems pretty clear, is that Lemond wrote things on a public source that have been proven false in judicial court. He cannot do that, it's defamation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari actually chose to sue him.

What do you mean, "he cannot do that?"

Newsflash, he did do that!

We'll see what Ferrari does now.

This is fun.

 

[CitizenErased]

ferrari is not a coach.

he is a hematologist.

Oh oh, I'm afraid that incorrect too...
As mentioned on http://www.53x12.com in the biography, Ferrari is a Medical Doctor who took specialization in Sports.
A hematologist is quite another branch, my friend.

 

[Race Radio]

So far, you haven't brought any "facts" into anything, just a lot of hot air, repeated assertions that Lemond has been "proven" wrong, and suggestions that others go read the court papers.

Since you've already read them (in their native Italian I'm sure), then feel free to cite the documents, or even include a quote or two. I mean, they're facts, right? How about a quick link to the dossier so folks can get up to speed quickly and move the dialog along in a more informed manner?

It shouldn't be a problem right? And since they are "facts" it should merely serve to provide a substantial support for your argument. You can't go wrong.

Don't hold your breath. Fact's are like kryptonite to the public Strategies interns

 

[CitizenErased]

What do you mean, "he cannot do that?"

Newsflash, he did do that!

We'll see what Ferrari does now.

This is fun.

I agree, this is fun!

 

[VeloCity]

The way I see it, and it seems pretty clear, is that Lemond wrote things on a public source that have been proven false in judicial court. He cannot do that, it's defamation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari actually chose to sue him.

God, I wish Ferrari would sue Lemond, that would be hilarious, especially if Armstrong and Bruyneel et al. were called as witnesses. But I have a feeling Ferrari is not stupid enough to have his past dragged back into the light in court.

But let me see if I have this straight: Lemond, Mentheour, Voet, and Simeoni are all liars but Ferrari is telling the truth? Is that what you believe?