Dr Ferrari -vs- Lemond

[velosopher54]

He's saying basically nothing.


What LeMond is saying is, 'that I know Ferrari is a fraud, I'm going to say WTF I want to, despite any omerta or threats, and if you want to sue me, go ahead and I'll destroy you.'

So much for this "limited sense" bs the only point of which is to distract from the truth.

I agree with these statements. Ferrari won't sue Greg, that would mean he'd have to prove he doesn't dope his riders, which he cannot.

It's been interesting to see all the new trolls that have come out the last week or so, all backing LA and discrediting GL, and especially using that word, witchhunt. I find this laughable. How much do these guys get paid to write this drivel?

 

[Race Radio]

Oh oh, I'm afraid that incorrect too...
As mentioned on http://www.53x12.com in the biography, Ferrari is a Medical Doctor who took specialization in Sports.
A hematologist is quite another branch, my friend.

He wrote his doctorate on Blood, that is his specialty. His expertise is doping, not intervals.

Richard Virenque paid a visit to Ferrari at his home in Ferrara at the start of 1996. One consultation was enough. Richard came back in a rather perplexed state. Being prepared by the Italian would have worked out very expensive. What's more, teaming up with Ferrari was like putting a saucepan up your backside: it was immediately obvious what you were doing

Ferrari is a doping doctor, to pretend that he is not is willfully ignorant

 

[Barrus]

But my friend, the truth on the matter (Lemond's false statements) has already been established by court trial. And Lemond's statements are false, whether you like it or not, it's been proved.

Now, you wanna bring Simeoni in? Fine, I'll just state true facts documented in the trial to bring the truth to you.

So you think a trial is only concerned with real facts. Do you also believe that OJ was innocent?

 

[alanshearer]

Yes, I think he understands that. He's saying that that "limited sense" also applies to Lemond when Lemond is speaking in a public forum.

And he does have a point.

Let's see.

1. Lemond cites Mentheour's autobiography. I haven't read it, but Lemond claims that it accuses Ferrari. Ferrari's response is that he was somehow exonerated of those accusations in his court trial. Is that true? I'd like to see the actual documents to detemine the extent to which he was exonerated. And even if it's true that he was somehow exonerated of those allegations in the trial, does that mean that Mentheour's allegations are without merit? I mean, OJ was found "not guilty."

2. Nowhere in the Lemond article does he cite the Donnati Dossier. Lemond instead states "t was said that . . ." and "I am not sure if the numbers are correct, but the rumor . . ." Ferrari recognizes that Lemond does not cite the Dossier but still speculates that "t is probably from this dossier that Greg Lemond drew the 'rumours.'" Ferrari then goes on to point out that the Dossier is a two-edged sword. Since Lemond doesn't mentioned the Dossier as his source, Ferrari's use of it could be seen as a cheap trick to smear Lemond.

 

[eleven]

Don't hold your breath. Fact's are like kryptonite to the public Strategies interns

This board has an odd obsession with that firm. I suppose you realize that Public Strategies has precious little to do with RS / LA / CSE? They have office space in the same building. Beyond that, their work with LA is small potatoes compared to their broad reach in other efforts.

 

[Barrus]

Also if you reference court cases and documents, which are not freely available, nor easily located, please do provide links or sources, makes it a hell of a lot easier for everyone

 

[alanshearer]

Damn, I'm out of it.

BTW, this Kate Hudson is fcuking nuts! She wasn't dating A Fraud too long ago or Pharmstrong for that matter. She's worse than a porn starlet for goodness sake.

I'd still do her.

 

[buckwheat]

Don't hold your breath. Fact's are like kryptonite to the public Strategies interns

I do have a kind of admiration for their pursuit of this idiotic, demented, relentless quest. Where in the hell do they find such "people."

They push all their opponents into, "go ahead, make my day," mode.

When I was dealing with my corporate "superiors" the likes of this Citizen Erased person, I told them, "there's no way you talk to me like this on the street."

TBH, I really enjoy the confrontations with this type of person.

 

[Barrus]

Oh wait just read you don't have a link, do you than perhaps have at least the number of the court case, so that I can look it up, as most of these cases are anonomized (spelling?)

And is this not the same guy as the one with the username b.a.n.n.e.d., or more commonly known as BPC

 

[buckwheat]

I'd still do her.

I don't like the anxiety of having to look down my pants for the next coupla months with a flashlight or worrying about a cough 6 months from now. Even worse is the public humiliation of a giant chancre on my lip.

Plus, she's been through everybody! Who's gonna do it for her? She going to start going thru world leaders?

 

[powerste]

Oh oh, I'm afraid that incorrect too...
As mentioned on http://www.53x12.com in the biography, Ferrari is a Medical Doctor who took specialization in Sports.
A hematologist is quite another branch, my friend.

A hematologist is a medical doctor. So is an orthopedic surgeon. And there are plenty more specialties in the wide space between those two.

As for exactly what branches of medicine Ferrari has specialized in, or received board certification in, perhaps you should cite a source other than his own for-profit coaching advice site.

I sell enterprise software. My Web site says the software I sell is bug-free and solves all of your company's business problems. Would you like independent verification before you buy some?

Seriously, you couldn't do better than the good doctor's own commercial site?

 

[alanshearer]

Also if you reference court cases and documents, which are not freely available, nor easily located, please do provide links or sources, makes it a hell of a lot easier for everyone

One only need to look at Armstrong's characterization of what went down in the SCA arbitation to realize that what one says happened in a legal proceeding is not necessarily what actually happened in the legal proceeding.

 

[cyklista]

LeMond should be archived, no more of him, he is the biggest damage maker to sport of cycling (together with Landis). I use his proof, as he said-somebody said, I am sure he doped living and competing in hype of doping.

 

[Elagabalus]

Let's see.

1. Lemond cites Mentheour's autobiography. I haven't read it, but Lemond claims that it accuses Ferrari. Ferrari's response is that he was somehow exonerated of those accusations in his court trial. Is that true? I'd like to see the actual documents to detemine the extent to which he was exonerated. And even if it's true that he was somehow exonerated of those allegations in the trial, does that mean that Mentheour's allegations are without merit? I mean, OJ was found "not guilty."

2. Nowhere in the Lemond article does he cite the Donnati Dossier. Lemond instead states "t was said that . . ." and "I am not sure if the numbers are correct, but the rumor . . ." Ferrari recognizes that Lemond does not cite the Dossier but still speculates that "t is probably from this dossier that Greg Lemond drew the 'rumours.'" Ferrari then goes on to point out that the Dossier is a two-edged sword. Since Lemond doesn't mentioned the Dossier as his source, Ferrari's use of it could be seen as a cheap trick to smear Lemond.

Don't shoot the messenger. However, I will say that it would be better if Greg steered clear of " but the rumor..." type stories. I don't think Ferrari will sue him because of the aforementioned proverbial can of worms being opened. But Greg has being prone to...ah...excitable embellishments let's say to his stories that make easy targets for all of the fanboys to demolish quite easily.

 

[Deagol]

.....just go on a witch hunt.....

OOPs You just outed yourself..

 

[Barrus]

One only need to look at Armstrong's characerization of what went down in the SCA arbitation to realize that what one says happened in a legal proceeding is not necessarily what actually happened in the legal proceeding.

I know, I just wanted to read the case myself due to this, or at least the judgment and its assesment of the evidence

 

[powerste]

LeMond should be archived, no more of him, he is the biggest damage maker to sport of cycling (together with Landis). I use his proof, as he said-somebody said, I am sure he doped living and competing in hype of doping.

2nd post - looks like we got us another new recruit!

 

[LastDamnation]

"It is absolutely false that cyclists contacted me for doping programs: some came to me at first with such request, but never came back twice."

If so, name names?

 

[this_is_edie]

Don't shoot the messenger. However, I will say that it would be better if Greg steered clear of " but the rumor..." type stories. I don't think Ferrari will sue him because of the aforementioned proverbial can of worms being opened. But Greg has being prone to...ah...excitable embellishments let's say to his stories that make easy targets for all of the fanboys to demolish quite easily.

agreed. It makes an easy target for fanboys to go after and to focus on and derail the discussion.

What I also find interesting is that Ferrari jumped into the fray instead of staying quiet.

 

[saganftw]

"It is absolutely false that cyclists contacted me for doping programs: some came to me at first with such request, but never came back twice."

If so, name names?

when i asked this when lemond published one of his articles i was told by forum experts that im ehm ...how can i put it ***** *******

 

[Race Radio]

This board has an odd obsession with that firm. I suppose you realize that Public Strategies has precious little to do with RS / LA / CSE? They have office space in the same building. Beyond that, their work with LA is small potatoes compared to their broad reach in other efforts.

Armstrong hired PS to slime Greg. They helped craft the public presentation for the Trek case, the press releases for the Federal case, the talking points for the friendly media.....the list goes on and on. Much of the public lie that is Lance Armstrong was crafted by Public Strategies.

When you read the deliberate misinformation by some posters here it is easy to come to the conclusion that they are alternative motivation.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Haven't you guys figured out yet that I am just BPC back for one more go around.

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[Oldman]

The #28 jersey, Ferrari's response to Lemond...all of this is like bubbles on some primitive strategic flow chart of marketing smoke. Get people to look somewhere else, ANYWHERE ELSE than the truth of the current moment. Like Race Radio said-they're getting really nervous. Ferrari may have been "cleared" in one instance because folks were willing to lie to protect themselves. Information gathered from US citizens before a Grand Jury may be harder to launder, rinse, ignore. Ignore that reality, Citizen.

 

[Cloxxki]

2nd post - looks like we got us another new recruit!

I heard a rumor that due to great response, the omerta team is being forced to reduce the benifit package for new anti-Greg-and-Landis posters. So sad that budget cuts even reach such parts of society. Soon enough, an professional poster won't be able to make minimum salary anymore!

 

[eleven]

Armstrong hired PS to slime Greg.

Lol. eh..no.

They helped craft the public presentation for the Trek case, the press releases for the Federal case, the talking points for the friendly media.....the list goes on and on. Much of the public lie that is Lance Armstrong was crafted by Public Strategies.

you should check your "Facts" before you post such things. Come to think of it, you have quite a history of wrong "facts" about Armstrong etc...on this board. A pattern, one might say, of being wrong.