Dylan van Baarle thread

[brownbobby]

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I think the problem is that some teams are reluctant to give out that kind of information. I remember a few years back in the Tour when Froome went mental there were some discussions about his watt/kg and if it seemed too good to be true. Sky released his numbers and listed his weight around 68 or 70 kg or so. There is no way in hell that Froome in absolute top shape in his prime was anywhere near 70 kg.

With Van Baarle it’s difficult to say because he used to be primarily a classics rider who could climb a bit as well so obviously he was a lot heavier then. If I were to guess I’d say he is in low 70’s now but it’s impressive nonetheless.

So Froome would rather have doping insinuations/accusations regarding watts/kilo (if he in reality weighs less) needed for a certain effort, than disclosing his actual weight, which would give adversaries a tactical advantage in estimating what numbers he can push?

Well, somehow that's not surprising i guess.

I’m not sure I read your post correctly but the purpose of listing him heavier than he really is seemingly was to make his numbers look less impressive and therefore avoid accusations of cheating, yes.

How on earth is saying you're even heavier than you are, make his efforts look LESS impressive? Because the fatter you are, the better you climb?

:lol: :lol: :lol: Priceless...you don't really get the science behind cycling do you :lol:

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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How on earth is saying you're even heavier than you are, make his efforts look LESS impressive? Because the fatter you are, the better you climb?

:lol: Priceless...you don't really get the science behind cycling do you :lol:

ROFL, are you *** kidding me.

Yes i understand it means in theory he'd be pushing less watts per kilo. I know it means in theory he'd have a lower VO2max. Could you tell me how on earth that makes it any more likely, to be dropping guys (supposedly) 10 kilo's lighter with a (supposedly) higher VO2max, pushing (supposedly) far more watts per kilo?

Maybe Indurain was lying about his weight as well. In reality, he was only 60 kilo, but he said his weight was 80, to make it LESS suspicious. Hahaha. WTF.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

well if he still weight 78kg this would look suspicious as hell because he'd have to push, in absolute watts, like 150w more than lightweight to achieve same w/kg lol

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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well if he still weight 78kg this would look suspicious as hell because he'd have to push, in absolute watts, like 150w more than lightweight to achieve same w/kg lol

No no, i just learned in this topic, that the heavier he'd be, the less watts per kilo he'd push, so it would make it LESS suspicious.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Weird, because for a 78kg rider to follow a 60kg rider pushing 350w, he'd have to push near 500W. Which is insanely hard to sustain even on the flat

 

[Bushman]

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How on earth is saying you're even heavier than you are, make his efforts look LESS impressive? Because the fatter you are, the better you climb?

:lol: Priceless...you don't really get the science behind cycling do you :lol:

ROFL, are you **** kidding me.

Yes i understand it means in theory he'd be pushing less watts per kilo. I know it means in theory he'd have a lower VO2max. Could you tell me how on earth that makes it any more likely, to be dropping guys (supposedly) 10 kilo's lighter with a (supposedly) higher VO2max, pushing (supposedly) far more watts per kilo?

Maybe Indurain was lying about his weight as well. In reality, he was only 60 kilo, but he said his weight was 80, to make it LESS suspicious. Hahaha. WTF.

Because when analyzing data from climbers it’s all about (or mostly about) watt/kg and adding a few kilograms to a rider’s listed weight naturally makes his power output seem slightly less impressive.

Of course you can argue that the heavier the more power you have to push but since the power data is the one that is released, you have to adjust the weight if you want to skew the numbers.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Because when analyzing data from climbers it’s all about (or mostly about) watt/kg and adding a few kilograms to a rider’s listed weight naturally makes his power output seem slightly less impressive.

Of course you can argue that the heavier the more power you have to push but since the power data is the one that is released, you have to adjust the weight if you want to skew the numbers.

Yes i got that. But this has to be pretty easy to debunk in any case, when you compare it to riders who climbed slower but had better numbers. Also when you calculate the numbers going on length of the climb, total climbing time, elevation... and weight. It would be easy to conclude something is not right. In fact, in that scenario, going by the inflated weight numbers, he'd have to push far more dubious watts, making it more suspicious than it already was.

Anyway, if he actually asked to inflate his weight, it seems like a dumb move, because people that actually are interested in these things, wouldn't need much time to figure out something is off, and could quite possibly come to far more damaging conclusions.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Chapeau to Van Baarle. A consistent force getting a crowning achievement in convincing fashion. Well done!

 

[roundabout]

Just imagine how many more classics he would have won if he didn't have to work in the Ineos/Sky train in the summer.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations for winning Paris-Roubaix.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Picking up win number six in style!

 

[Mayomaniac]

Until today he was imo the most underrated Ineos rider.
A top classics rider and in gts he's an insane workhorse on all kinds of terrain.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Absolutely smashed it out of the park today. Once he went solo every group just lost time to him. Even Van Aert and Kung when they went full.

 

[Red Rick]

Wait did this thread get literally 0 traffic when he got 2nd at the WCRR or Flanders?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Wait did this thread get literally 0 traffic when he got 2nd at the WCRR or Flanders?

Indeed, which is mind boggling.

 

[Lequack]

And now he's off to Jumbo Visma, where he will have Wout as a superdomestique as well.

 

[Red Rick]

Absolutely smashed it out of the park today. Once he went solo every group just lost time to him. Even Van Aert and Kung when they went full.

Massive effort. I do believe that in Roubaix doing big surges will just ruin the legs down the line in a race.

 

[jmdirt]

GREAT race DvB!

 

[Extinction]

As with the exceptions of crashing out or a mechanical at a crucial momment, none of which seems to apply to this statement in today's race: at Roubaix the strongest man wins and that was DvB.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Wait did this thread get literally 0 traffic when he got 2nd at the WCRR or Flanders?

Underrated rider because his main skill is not dying and keep going. No crazy acceleration. No super sprint. Just the ability to have endless endurance.

Comes in handy most in Roubaix.

 

[Red Rick]

Underrated rider because his main skill is not dying and keep going. No crazy acceleration. No super sprint. Just the ability to have endless endurance.

Comes in handy most in Roubaix.

Today is another big show of how wildly different Roubaix is from de Ronde.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Underrated rider because his main skill is not dying and keep going. No crazy acceleration. No super sprint. Just the ability to have endless endurance.

Comes in handy most in Roubaix.

I'd say his main skill is to read races perfectly, it's why he's racked up as many top-10s in Flanders as he has because it's such a good race for anticipatory attacks. Imo both Flanders and Roubaix suit him better than any other cobbled classic.

 

[SafeBet]

I don't think there's anyone in the pro peloton as tactical astute as Van Baarle. But today he was also incredibly strong.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Van Baarle has the best timing in the entire professional peloton. "Doing a Van Baarle" or "winning alá Van Baarle" should be common phrases now (well, he was the strongest on top of that as well). His timing is just incredible, especially in Flanders - I seem to remember him attacking after Kwaremont/Paterberg the last 5 editions with 50-25 km to go, which is probably untrue, but he gives himself the best chances imagineable riding this way.

 

[tobydawq]

Just imagine how many more classics he would have won if he didn't have to work in the Ineos/Sky train in the summer.

Not that many I would imagine.