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Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the better rider?

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Dazed and Confused said:
Perhaps Langeveld can bag a big win, but EBH is a very consistent performer all season. Deep talent and valuable.

This. One can't argue with the fact that he doesn't perform in the spring classics but it annoys me when people lose all faith already in a kid who isn't 26 yet. I mean he was 6th in the CQ-rankings last year so he must get at least something right...
 
EvansIsTheBest said:
I agree. I can't see why people still try to hype this guy so much. His most impressive classic ride was beating Kuschynski in a sprint and that was 4 years ago in the easiest classic in the calendar. His best result in Flanders is 19th and in Roubaix he never managed to finish better than 42nd (in case anybody's curious, he never rode FW where he doesn't stand a chance, never finished Lombardia, and his best in AGR (62th) and LBL (128th) are nothing to write about). Actually when I checked his results I was surprised, I knew he wasn't as good as people made him out to be but honestly I didn't expect his results to be quite so bad. Heck, Langeveld has a better chance to win a monument at this rate.
Sagan has shown more during this last week (despite being 3 years younger) than EBH ever did in the classics. And yet as evidenced by this thread some people still seem to put both on the same level so clearly I must be missing something :confused:
You're probably missing the fact that the thread is 2 years old, when they were at approximately the same level.

Posting results from Ardennes classics he rode when he was 20 years old and a neo pro is hardly relevant either.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
Wouldn't want to compare EBH to Sagan. Sagan is a different level of talent.
EBH's CQ value history below:


In contrast Langeveld's:


Perhaps Langeveld can bag a big win, but EBH is a very consistent performer all season. Deep talent and valuable.

You shouldn't compare both riders. Langeveld is one of the few top specialists of cobbled and slightly hilly classics, but he doesn't have many other qualities besides a decent TT.

EBH is a very good allrounder, but not very great in classics. His TT and sprint make him a rider who can score points in every stage race, whether it is for GC or in stages. Ever since 2009 he's been very consistent, but he's never had any real peaks, especially around March/April.

Langeveld has always had his ups and downs, but when he's good he's among the best. (Flanders 2008 & 2011, 2009 and 2011 Omloop, 2010 and 2013 E3, Kuurne 2008 a.o.)

Sagan on the other hand combines both. He's very consistent, but he's a world beater on important occasions as well.
 
Pentacycle said:
You shouldn't compare both riders. Langeveld is one of the few top specialists of cobbled and slightly hilly classics, but he doesn't have many other qualities besides a decent TT.

EBH is a very good allrounder, but not very great in classics. His TT and sprint make him a rider who can score points in every stage race, whether it is for GC or in stages. Ever since 2009 he's been very consistent, but he's never had any real peaks, especially around March/April.

Langeveld has always had his ups and downs, but when he's good he's among the best. (Flanders 2008 & 2011, 2009 and 2011 Omloop, 2010 and 2013 E3, Kuurne 2008 a.o.)

Sagan on the other hand combines both. He's very consistent, but he's a world beater on important occasions as well.


well, not sure we disagree on anything. I was responding to a post.

Sagan can win multiple monuments in his career.

Langeveld will have to get lucky to scrape a biggie

EBH performs consistently over the season.

Sagan is top $$'s, and if faced with a choice of the other two, I would go with EBH any day.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
I don't know if getting dropped by Boom (even if he returned later on) in RVV is a good sign

Eh, he killed himself trying to stick with Cance/Sagan. I'll rate his performance over most people who didn't finish on the podium.
 
He was 32nd in 2011, 19th in 2012 and 14th this year.

At least he's improving a little :)

I also think he should have credit for trying to win the race. It shows that he's a real winner, not a guy who tries to save himself for the sprint. Of course, it also shows that he overrates himself a lot when he thinks he can follow Sagan and Cancellara...
 
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He should have attacted earlier along with Roelandts or the likes. But I suppose tactics are too much to expect from Sky. At least now he should be convinced that he can't follow the best mano a mano on the cobbles and try his good old aggressive racing. Cobbles and EBH is not a perfect match.
 
brilleaben said:
He should have attacted earlier along with Roelandts or the likes. But I suppose tactics are too much to expect from Sky. At least now he should be convinced that he can't follow the best mano a mano on the cobbles and try his good old aggressive racing. Cobbles and EBH is not a perfect match.
Indeed, he should've done like Roelandts and gotten a headstart before the final climbs.
 
William H said:
Eh, he killed himself trying to stick with Cance/Sagan. I'll rate his performance over most people who didn't finish on the podium.
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maltiv said:
I also think he should have credit for trying to win the race. It shows that he's a real winner, not a guy who tries to save himself for the sprint. Of course, it also shows that he overrates himself a lot when he thinks he can follow Sagan and Cancellara...
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brilleaben said:
He should have attacted earlier along with Roelandts or the likes. But I suppose tactics are too much to expect from Sky. At least now he should be convinced that he can't follow the best mano a mano on the cobbles and try his good old aggressive racing. Cobbles and EBH is not a perfect match.
I was really surprised someone from sky didn't try to get up the road. After all, it seems like it's been their classics m.o. this season.
 
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theyoungest said:
Sagan won 3 Vuelta stages. I'd say that is at least as impressive as winning one Giro stage. And you have to take into account the way in which EBH won Gent-Wevelgem... Sagan could have won that as well, against the amazing Alexander Kuschynski.

EBH is certainly more allround, but Sagan has the potential to win more and bigger races IMO. If I had to name one heir apparent to Philippe Gilbert, it's him.

Ugh?. Sagan won green jersey last year at TDF. Giro stage? that's no contest for winning 3 stages at TDF and green jersey. Sagan is definitely better, hands down. EBH to me is a touch and go in a way. Not that "good" .. good sagan good. Maybe he is in the wrong team :D On the other hand, Sagan is a huge talent.
 

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they're different type of riders, problem with EBH is that he is good at everything but not particularly good in any specifc area
 
Jelantik said:
Ugh?. Sagan won green jersey last year at TDF. Giro stage? that's no contest for winning 3 stages at TDF and green jersey. Sagan is definitely better, hands down. EBH to me is a touch and go in a way. Not that "good" .. good sagan good. Maybe he is in the wrong team :D On the other hand, Sagan is a huge talent.
Maybe you should check when I posted that... this thread is two years old.
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Wouldn't want to compare EBH to Sagan. Sagan is a different level of talent.
EBH's CQ value history below:

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In contrast Langeveld's:

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Perhaps Langeveld can bag a big win, but EBH is a very consistent performer all season. Deep talent and valuable.
To be clear, I was comparing Langeveld's and EBH's classics abilities to demonstrate that there was no way EBH was going to have an impact on RVV and P-R this year. To be fair, he did show improvements today, perhaps there is still some small hope yet.
Of course, EBH is more versatile and a better rider than Langeveld in general.
 
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theyoungest said:
Maybe you should check when I posted that... this thread is two years old.

:D Cruisin' the necro-threads! Well, I've got not much more to say on this topic for another two years, unless I post in the Clinic. But clinic aside, Sagan has shaped up a bit better over this past two years, yes? EBH seems like he's always almost there.