Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the better rider?

[BigMac]

What exactly is the classical distance? He's won a couple of races or so above 240km. One of them at least in a dominant fashion.

He's just not as good these days.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the classical distance is 250 km+

this year he's been better than ever but can't handle the distance

 

[Pentacycle]

EBH can handle 260 k distance but only in races where the real action occurs at the pointy end. Preferably circuit with mostly asphalt and hills. So AGR MSR and Worlds.

 

[Oude Geuze]

He's too nervous in the peloton. Chasing the wrong attacks, closing gaps, sitting by himself in the wind when the pace is high toward bergs and generally expending too much energy. His engine is probably equal or better than Kristoff, and only slightly worse than GVA or Sagan on good days, but its the little things that get you. In a race, you have only one really good accelleration, Kristoff is the master, never crosses his treshold before the finish. He either goes or waits. EBH does the in between too often, and in long hard races it kills you. No glycogen left for finale.

 

[maltiv]

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He's too nervous in the peloton. Chasing the wrong attacks, closing gaps, sitting by himself in the wind when the pace is high toward bergs and generally expending too much energy. His engine is probably equal or better than Kristoff, and only slightly worse than GVA or Sagan on good days, but its the little things that get you. In a race, you have only one really good accelleration, Kristoff is the master, never crosses his treshold before the finish. He either goes or waits. EBH does the in between too often, and in long hard races it kills you. No glycogen left for finale.

Perfectly described.

This is the primary reason he can't win cobbled classics, and probably never will. If it only were the distance that troubles him, he'd do way better in e.g E3, but he's just as bad there.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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He's too nervous in the peloton. Chasing the wrong attacks, closing gaps, sitting by himself in the wind when the pace is high toward bergs and generally expending too much energy. His engine is probably equal or better than Kristoff, and only slightly worse than GVA or Sagan on good days, but its the little things that get you. In a race, you have only one really good accelleration, Kristoff is the master, never crosses his treshold before the finish. He either goes or waits. EBH does the in between too often, and in long hard races it kills you. No glycogen left for finale.

Agree with this. Saw him on TV towards the front of the peloton way too many times in the first half of the race

 

[Red Rick]

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He's too nervous in the peloton. Chasing the wrong attacks, closing gaps, sitting by himself in the wind when the pace is high toward bergs and generally expending too much energy. His engine is probably equal or better than Kristoff, and only slightly worse than GVA or Sagan on good days, but its the little things that get you. In a race, you have only one really good accelleration, Kristoff is the master, never crosses his treshold before the finish. He either goes or waits. EBH does the in between too often, and in long hard races it kills you. No glycogen left for finale.

You could be on to something. His best result in a long race, the WCRR 2012 where he won silver, was simple tactically as it was always gonna be about the last sprint up the cauberg. No mistake there, was 2nd best on the cauberg

 

[Pippo_San]

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I think its time for Eddy to specialize. right now he is a superb allrounder, but I think he will have to find his lane soon.

2016. Still has to understand what kind of rider he is.
If you close EBH in a box you have the equivalent of Schrodinger's cat for a pro bike racer.

 

[Hakkapelit]

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I think its time for Eddy to specialize. right now he is a superb allrounder, but I think he will have to find his lane soon.

2016. Still has to understand what kind of rider he is.
If you close EBH in a box you have the equivalent of Schrodinger's cat for a pro bike racer.

Well he ain't no mountain domestique nomore.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

One of those threads that might have made sense back in their day but now are hilarious. Sagan vs EBH, it's so lop-sided it's not even fair.

 

[Lemonbaloon]

Having a stomache that can't handle gels and sportsbar is no advantage in long races either. He always seems to just fade away into nothing. Also it seems that the form always peak after TDF every season. Like in last years worlds and Tour of Britain.

 

[SeriousSam]

Re: Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the bet

I have no idea why anyone ever thought EBH would be good. His career turned out disappointing, just as David Brailsford, CBE, anticipated.

 

[burning]

Re: Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the bet

I have no idea why anyone ever thought EBH would be good. His career turned out disappointing, just as David Brailsford, CBE, anticipated.

Apparently, he also knew that "CF" would be the next big thing.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the bet

I have no idea why anyone ever thought EBH would be good. His career turned out disappointing, just as David Brailsford, CBE, anticipated.

What is the source? "This graph is OUR approximation of Brailsford's rider analysis" - could be anything.

If it did represent the views of Brailsford, it'd be interesting that he put Lofkvist at the same level as Gerrans Flecha and Rogers, all of whom were above Wiggins and Thomas. But nobody in their right mind would put EBH behind the stunning Morris Possoni, and thus this source is complete bs

 

[Cannibal72]

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Not the worst rider around, kind of known as a minion/servant for as long as I can remember but not a dud.

EBH is more adaptable, Sagan more raw power but will end up getting burned off by Cav,Goss Kittel, Grieple in fast sprints.

Maybe in a couple years he will #1 sprinter.

Kittel will be #1 sprinter in 2013

Sagan will never become a pure sprinter, I think he'll become an improved version of Erik Zabel. Fast sprint, a lot of power in hills and excellent on the cobbles(the kid has great bike handling skills and he's crazy).

Pretty impressive foresight from 2011.

 

[hrotha]

Leeel. You guys need to work on your Clinic-Fu if you didn't get SeriousSam's (quite hilarious) joke.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Leeel. You guys need to work on your Clinic-Fu if you didn't get SeriousSam's (quite hilarious) joke.

Looking back, I feel so stupid now

 

[markene2]

Re: Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the bet

I have no idea why anyone ever thought EBH would be good. His career turned out disappointing, just as David Brailsford, CBE, anticipated.

Subtle. But very good!

 

[burning]

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Leeel. You guys need to work on your Clinic-Fu if you didn't get SeriousSam's (quite hilarious) joke.

I already knew the original graph

 

[Kwibus]

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Leeel. You g,uys need to work on your Clinic-Fu if you didn't get SeriousSam's (quite hilarious) joke.

Im happy to be oblivious to clinic jokes.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Well they both won a stage each in this year's Tour, but EBH finished higher in the points classification. Pretty obvious who the better rider is