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Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the better rider?

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Boasson Hagen didn't look too good in that climb in Milan San Remo, it does look like he has regressed quite a bit.
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He had diarrhea 2 days before M-SR...

Clearly Kerrison's magic doesn't work on him though, so he might as well find a new team where he'll be given more freedom to go stage hunting or whatever. Fascinating how Sky's training plans were so ridiculously effective on some, yet it had no effect on guys like EBH or Löfkvist. Perhaps they don't want to warm down after races.

4 years ago EBH was one of the youngest winners of G-W ever, won a stage in his first GT, took 13 victories in one season (he had a win rate of around 30% from June 2009 to February 2010!) and won everything from TT's vs Cancellara to sprints vs Greipel.

Now he he seems to be nothing but a domestique for the older Geraint Thomas, a guy who won his first road race ever at 25...
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
I think Sky will make EBH more of a hilly classics rider/good mountain domestique in July type of rider
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Perhaps, but it doesn't seem that way when his nr 1 goal is P-R. I always found it very surprising that he'd put so much focus on the cobbled classics, as he wasn't particularly good in cobbles as u23. He was much better in the hills, where he occasionally would compete with the best (2nd on the most hilly stage of L'avenir, behind Mollema, for example) despite being 80 kg's. In his first season with Colombia, they sent him to the Ardennes, not the northern classics...

He's never really looked comfortable at all on cobbles, so perhaps that's the problem. Who knows, if he focuses on it, he might have a much better chance in L-B-L and particularly AGR than in the cobbled ones.

One thing is for sure, if he doesn't perform in P-R or RVV this year either it's definitely time to try and change something. It would be quite sad if such a talent ends up being a domestique in every race he enters...
 
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maltiv said:
Perhaps, but it doesn't seem that way when his nr 1 goal is P-R. I always found it very surprising that he'd put so much focus on the cobbled classics, as he wasn't particularly good in cobbles as u23. He was much better in the hills, where he occasionally would compete with the best (2nd on the most hilly stage of L'avenir, behind Mollema, for example) despite being 80 kg's. In his first season with Colombia, they sent him to the Ardennes, not the northern classics...

He's never really looked comfortable at all on cobbles, so perhaps that's the problem. Who knows, if he focuses on it, he might have a much better chance in L-B-L and particularly AGR than in the cobbled ones.

One thing is for sure, if he doesn't perform in P-R or RVV this year either it's definitely time to try and change something. It would be quite sad if such a talent ends up being a domestique in every race he enters...
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The problem is just that he's good at a lot of things, but not great at anything. He's not a real Ardennes rider either, imagine him trying to follow Rodriguez on a steep hill. I think he's a born stage hunter, the classics are really for specialists these days.
 
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The problem is just that he's good at a lot of things, but not great at anything. He's not a real Ardennes rider either, imagine him trying to follow Rodriguez on a steep hill. I think he's a born stage hunter, the classics are really for specialists these days.
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Imagine Iglinskyi trying to follow Rodriguez on a steep hill ;)

You don't necessarily have to do that to win an ardennes classic, and there's a reason I left out F-W. I see your point though. Clearly stage hunting is what he's best at, but at the moment he's in the worst team he could possibly be in if that's what he wants to do, as he'll be on domestique duties on almost any stage of any GT.
 
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Imagine Iglinskyi trying to follow Rodriguez on a steep hill ;)

You don't necessarily have to do that to win an ardennes classic, and there's a reason I left out F-W. I see your point though. Clearly stage hunting is what he's best at, but at the moment he's in the worst team he could possibly be in if that's what he wants to do, as he'll be on domestique duties on almost any stage of any GT.
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Iglinskiy isn't bad at steep hills, better than EBH at any rate. I think the Amstel Gold Race could be within EBH's reach, certainly on the new course, but Liege is really too hard.
 
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He should leave Sky in my opinion, all the work done to improve on long climb and be more useful as a domestique in July is killing his potential improvements for the classics.
 
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maltiv said:
Oh and by the way, here you can see EBH (almost) following a Rodriguez attack on a steep hill, and even riding Vino himself straight off his wheel ;) From around 13:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg5LyvsaDjk
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3 things here:
1. Vino finished in front of him at the end you silly man :p
2. Iglinsky has won multiple pure moutainstages over the years, and has been a good clissics rider for years ;)
3. I agree with you that ebh is probably a better ardennes rider than what people are making him out to be (look at how he climbed the last hill last years wc for example)
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
3 things here:
1. Vino finished in front of him at the end you silly man :p
2. Iglinsky has won multiple pure moutainstages over the years, and has been a good clissics rider for years ;)
3. I agree with you that ebh is probably a better ardennes rider than what people are making him out to be (look at how he climbed the last hill last years wc for example)
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I know, hence the wink. He did ride him off the wheel, though. But then he cracked himself in the final 25 meters :p

What mountain stages has Iglinskyi won? Anyway, my point was just that he probably can't follow Rodriguez when he goes crazy on a steep hill either, but that doesn't mean he's bad in the hilly classics.
 
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I know, hence the wink. He did ride him off the wheel, though. But then he cracked himself in the final 25 meters :p

What mountain stages has Iglinskyi won? Anyway, my point was just that he probably can't follow Rodriguez when he goes crazy on a steep hill either, but that doesn't mean he's bad in the hilly classics.
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Stage 6 Dauphine Libre 07 + a 9th overall in romandie and the climber jersey of tour de suisse in 08 to look at something of what he has done in the moutians and gc overall (he is heavier now though, so classics are now pretty much all he can do :p)
 
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maltiv said:
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Anyway, my point was just that he probably can't follow Rodriguez when he goes crazy on a steep hill either, but that doesn't mean he's bad in the hilly classics.
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Being 8 years younger than J-Rod, EBH shouldn't worry too much about the Spaniard (who is probably one of the best ever uphill sprinters). However EBH does need to worry about the impact of being demoted to support rider. Stay like that for long, and it can be a battle to get back on top.
 
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I agree. I can't see why people still try to hype this guy so much. His most impressive classic ride was beating Kuschynski in a sprint and that was 4 years ago in the easiest classic in the calendar. His best result in Flanders is 19th and in Roubaix he never managed to finish better than 42nd (in case anybody's curious, he never rode FW where he doesn't stand a chance, never finished Lombardia, and his best in AGR (62th) and LBL (128th) are nothing to write about). Actually when I checked his results I was surprised, I knew he wasn't as good as people made him out to be but honestly I didn't expect his results to be quite so bad. Heck, Langeveld has a better chance to win a monument at this rate.
Sagan has shown more during this last week (despite being 3 years younger) than EBH ever did in the classics. And yet as evidenced by this thread some people still seem to put both on the same level so clearly I must be missing something :confused:
 
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Sagan has shown more during this last week (despite being 3 years younger) than EBH ever did in the classics. And yet as evidenced by this thread some people still seem to put both on the same level so clearly I must be missing something :confused:
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Wouldn't want to compare EBH to Sagan. Sagan is a different level of talent.
EBH's CQ value history below:

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In contrast Langeveld's:

graphRiderHistory.asp


Perhaps Langeveld can bag a big win, but EBH is a very consistent performer all season. Deep talent and valuable.
 
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