Edvald Boasson Hagen Versus Peter Sagan - Who is the better rider?

[Michielveedeebee]

From a breakaway. He wouldn't have been there anymore if he had to face off against the likes of Contador, Schlecks, Cadel Evans, etc

Tony Martin got second on Mont Ventoux. Brice Feillu won a real mountain stage. I can go on and on.

Also won PN, he's not a bad climber at all

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

What has hills to do with climbing mountains? Gilbert must be one heck of a climber then!

Here's a not so hard hilly stage for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl9u_J-0rwM

i would say performing good for 8km in a mountain is a good indicator of how well he can perfrom elsewhere.

I dont understand what you want to prove with that movie, but if it is to show Gilbert being untouchable in those races, i agree. But that doenst mean some second places on those races for EBH wont mean the difference between a green jersey and not a green jersey in s tour

 

[maltiv]

But for me those are hills and not actual climbs. When I say climbing I mean mountains, real mountains.

Ok, but when I said he has improved his climbing I meant in both hills and mountains, obviously...

 

[El Pistolero]

i would say performing good for 8km in a mountain is a good indicator of how well he can perfrom elsewhere.

I dont understand what you want to prove with that movie, but if it is to show Gilbert being untouchable in those races, i agree. But that doenst mean some second places on those races for EBH wont mean the difference between a green jersey and not a green jersy

That vid proofs that EBH has not improved much in the hills last 3 years. It's not like he got second on that stage or even third you know

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

That vid proofs that EBH has not improved much in the hills last 3 years. It's not like he got second on that stage or even third you know

i am not trying to say that EBH will win LBL god no!

But beeing in the top 5 - 10 in races like amstel i do think is possible and even get top 3 in a rough tdf stage is absolutely possible

 

[maltiv]

That vid proofs that EBH has not improved much in the hills last 3 years. It's not like he got second on that stage or even third you know

Ok, then GP Ouest France proves that Gilbert is terrible in the hills. Gerrans is clearly the better rider on the hills.

 

[El Pistolero]

i am not trying to say that EBH will win LBL god no!

But beeing in the top 5 - 10 in races like amstel i do think is possible and even get top 3 in a rough tdf stage is absolutely possible

But my post was talking about improvement, he was already great in 2008/9 and is still great now. But has he really improved that much in those years?

 

[El Pistolero]

Ok, then GP Ouest France proves that Gilbert is terrible in the hills. Gerrans is clearly the better rider on the hills.

Proves he was bad that day. Give me an example of a classic race where EBH was actually good besides G-W?

And no, Vattenvall is not a classic.

 

[maltiv]

But my post was talking about improvement, he was already great in 2008/9 and is still great now. But has he really improved that much in those years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9OobuFFx0

10:46, Rodriguez attacks, EBH tries to follow while riding guys like Vino and Evans straight off his wheel. 2009: Poosthuma attacks in Eneco tour and EBH gets dropped from a 20 man group.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

But my post was talking about improvement, he was already great in 2008/9 and is still great now. But has he really improved that much in those years?

i would say his pauphine could indicate that he has improved yes.
His poor tdf stage in the mountain i think is more of a ba day/fatigue.
Honestly, Hushovd is not better than EBH in the mountains

 

[El Pistolero]

i would say his pauphine could indicate that he has improved yes.
His poor tdf stage in the mountain i think is more of a ba day/fatigue.
Honestly, Hushovd is not better than EBH in the mountains

But he was in the Tour. Which is more important than a prep race.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

But he was in the Tour. Which is more important than a prep race.

you base that on 1 stage, that might just have been a bad day for EBH?

 

[maltiv]

But he was in the Tour. Which is more important than a prep race.

EBH was sick 1 week before the TDF and could barely start at all.

And name me 1 classic EBH has done since 2009 where he was uninjured (and no, worlds is not a classic).

 

[El Pistolero]

EBH was sick 1 week before the TDF and could barely start at all.

And name me 1 classic EBH has done since 2009 where he was uninjured (and no, worlds is not a classic).

Not my problem he injures or gets sick easily. Why do you think that will ever change? There's always something with this guy...

The Worlds is a classic in everything but name.

 

[maltiv]

Not my problem he injures or gets sick easily. Why do you think that will ever change?

Because it's not normal to get achilles tendonitis every single year. This year he won't go skiing and has spent almost his entire off-season outside of Norway.

 

[El Pistolero]

Because it's not normal to get achilles tendonitis every single year. This year he won't go skiing and has spent almost his entire off-season outside of Norway.

Trust me, we'll hear the excuses from him and the fans when he yet again doesn't perform.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Trust me, we'll hear the excuses from him and the fans when he yet again doesn't perform.

want an avatar bet?

 

[Havetts]

He's never going to do well in a GT. He's never going to win on a MTF.

From a breakaway. He wouldn't have been there anymore if he had to face off against the likes of Contador, Schlecks, Cadel Evans, etc.

If he isnt riding for GC why does it matter he isnt facing Contador or the Schlecks on those climbs? They let him get in the breakaway and let the breakaway gain serious amounts of time, ofcourse he isnt going to face them. Seriously your comparisons make no sense at all..

 

[El Pistolero]

If he isnt riding for GC why does it matter he isnt facing Contador or the Schlecks on those climbs? They let him get in the breakaway and let the breakaway gain serious amounts of time, ofcourse he isnt going to face them. Seriously your comparisons make no sense at all..

You don't need to be a great climber if you're going to do it from a breakaway.

Duh?

Ps: I wasn't even making a comparison in those posts lol.

 

[Havetts]

You don't need to be a great climber if you're going to do it from a breakaway.

Duh?

Ps: I wasn't even making a comparison in those posts lol.

Actually you need to climb pretty well or even good to win medium mountain stages that go over Sestrieres (Cat 1.).

And yea the comparison thing I said was a brainfart, disregard that.

 

[El Pistolero]

Actually you need to climb pretty well or even good to win medium mountain stages that go over Sestrieres (Cat 1.).

And yea the comparison thing I said was a brainfart, disregard that.

I never called him a bad "climber" though. But for me that stuff is like hills. Brice Feillu won on Arcalis, but is he a great climber?

 

[velosiped]

Why would we do this? The OP ask who is the best rider, not who will be remembered as the best rider at the age up to 25.

I'd say EBH at the moment and I think he will have a great 2012!

Who IS the best rider now?
It's not even a competition. Hagen has won stages at the 2 greatest tours. Sagan hasn't.
Hagen has won 2 protour single-day races. Sagan hasn't won any.

with such a narrow premise, this tread actually are pretty meaningless.

 

[El Pistolero]

Who IS the best rider now?
It's not even a competition. Hagen has won stages at the 2 greatest tours. Sagan hasn't.
Hagen has won 2 protour single-day races. Sagan hasn't won any.

with such a narrow premise, this tread actually are pretty meaningless.

Sagan won 3 Vuelta stages in his first Grand Tour. I don't make any difference between the Giro and Vuelta when it comes down to stage wins... In fact, I rate Vuelta stage wins higher for those type of cyclists as the Giro usually doesn't attract good one day racers while the Vuelta does.

Honestly, a Vuelta stage win also beats Vattenval cyclassics. That's such a pathetic race.

 

[maltiv]

Sagan won 3 Vuelta stages in his first Grand Tour. I don't make any difference between the Giro and Vuelta when it comes down to stage wins... In fact, I rate Vuelta stage wins higher for those type of cyclists as the Giro usually doesn't attract good one day racers while the Vuelta does.

Honestly, a Vuelta stage win also beats Vattenval cyclassics. That's such a pathetic race.

Fine (although that's kinda weird), but you'd be completely nuts to consider 3 vuelta stages > 2 tdf stages.

 

[El Pistolero]

Fine (although that's kinda weird), but you'd be completely nuts to consider 3 vuelta stages > 2 tdf stages.

Definitely not, but EBH won a Giro stage in his first GT IIRC. I think it's only fair if we only compare their first GTs with each other.