Enemas ?

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

Sorry, how does an enema induce weight loss? Seriously.

Removes faecal matter.

I mean It will not be much, maybe 1Kg over what would be "accomplished naturally", but it would be less weight to haul up a mountain.

I couldn't imagine doing so, but if you believe the gossip mags plenty of celebs and wannabe celebs have enemas for far less actual gain that a ~1% Power to weight ratio gain on a MTF.

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

Sorry, how does an enema induce weight loss? Seriously.

Removes faecal matter.

I mean It will not be much, maybe 1Kg over what would be "accomplished naturally", but it would be less weight to haul up a mountain.

I couldn't imagine doing so, but if you believe the gossip mags plenty of celebs and wannabe celebs have enemas for far less actual gain that a ~1% Power to weight ratio gain on a MTF.

The idea that there is anything like that amount of fecal matter in a healthy person's colon has been discounted by every doctor I've spoken to or read from on the matter. It's an alternative medicine...load of crap...to put it bluntly.

 

[Catwhoorg]

The usual figures bandied about by the woo meisters is an order of magnitude above that, which of course is full of it.
Heck daily I see the adverts for a colon cleanse tablet which removes "pounds of toxic wastes" on the weather channel in our break room.
That is stupid.

I would 1 Kg is not an unreasonable upper amount of excess to be removed in the process. I mean if you are regular and don't go for a day (for whatever reason) you gain a couple of pounds right ?

But its certainly not without its own side effects, and risks (notable colonic perforation is a risk, then the whole C Diff infection possibilities)

I can see people doing it. Its less crazy than injecting all sorts of hormones into your body.

 

[carolina]

1 kg? never.

try weighing yourself before and after pooping, you wont loose more than 200-300 grams.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

1 kg? never.

try weighing yourself before and after pooping, you wont loose more than 200-300 grams.

Depends how often you poop

 

[BigMac]

This thread is cracking me up.

Sorry for going off-topic.

 

[carolina]

Re: Re:

1 kg? never.

try weighing yourself before and after pooping, you wont loose more than 200-300 grams.

Depends how often you poop

They're professional athletes with highly controlled diets. With the correct dietary fibre intake and taking into account that they eat mostly whole foods, they will poop regularly.

 

[Maxiton]

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I think it's used to prevent food/sugar assimilation and improve weight loss, not only clearing colon, it could explain extreme weight loss we've witnessed (mainly at Sky) from 2009 onwards.

I'm not sure how much calorie/nutrient/sugar assimilation goes on once food is in the colon, but if Gregga is correct this might have as much to do with the procedure as elimination of waste and excess weight.

 

[red_flanders]

Seriously folks, there is no excess weight to eliminate beyond what you can do by simply taking a dump.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/colon-cleanses-a-load-of-you-know-what/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/study-says-to-avoid-colon-cleanses-11-08-03/

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Seriously folks, there is no excess weight to eliminate beyond what you can do by simply taking a dump.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/colon-cleanses-a-load-of-you-know-what/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/study-says-to-avoid-colon-cleanses-11-08-03/

not the premise.

the theory behind Wiggins theory is there will be 300 grams of waste product in your system 24-7, and if you remove the 300 grams, and bypass the gut, and you can directly deposit the energy in your system, you have removed this 300 grams of excess weight.

 

[Archibald]

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think I posted this a week back, or on Facebook, or somewhere else.

pretty funny, it raises the stakes from caffeine and potbelge suppositories.

I can see this taking on in hazing parties at frat houses at colleges in the states, inverse funnel. male-g sport, prostrate prostate [sic]

So long as they aren't introducing any substances into their bodies via enemas, I fail to see how it even warrants discussion. It's not exactly a new, high tech procedure. Bowel elimination via enema before a stage has probably been going on since Garin took a train.

there were stories years ago of hollywood celebs going for espresso enemas... so, I wouldn't be surprised if LA was in on this...

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Sorry, how does an enema induce weight loss? Seriously.

Removes faecal matter.

I mean It will not be much, maybe 1Kg over what would be "accomplished naturally", but it would be less weight to haul up a mountain.

I couldn't imagine doing so, but if you believe the gossip mags plenty of celebs and wannabe celebs have enemas for far less actual gain that a ~1% Power to weight ratio gain on a MTF.

The idea that there is anything like that amount of fecal matter in a healthy person's colon has been discounted by every doctor I've spoken to or read from on the matter. It's an alternative medicine...load of crap...to put it bluntly.

not the colon. it is the stomach and gut to upper intestine thru to lower intestine thru to colon. Every scintilla or excess product can be taken out of your system if you bypass the gut and go to a liquid rectal feeding regimen. because the gut churns the food into waste matter and absorbs the nutrients. If you absorb the nutrients thru a liquid diet thru your bowel, you can take out all the matter in your system, not just the next bowel movement, but maybe the next two bowel movements.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

think I posted this a week back, or on Facebook, or somewhere else.

pretty funny, it raises the stakes from caffeine and potbelge suppositories.

I can see this taking on in hazing parties at frat houses at colleges in the states, inverse funnel. male-g sport, prostrate prostate [sic]

So long as they aren't introducing any substances into their bodies via enemas, I fail to see how it even warrants discussion. It's not exactly a new, high tech procedure. Bowel elimination via enema before a stage has probably been going on since Garin took a train.

there were stories years ago of hollywood celebs going for espresso enemas... so, I wouldn't be surprised if LA was in on this...

Yeah, but in LA's case it would probably be cocaine enemas. Not that here's anything wrong with that.*





*In actual fact, though, people have killed themselves by introducing drugs and alcohol into their system via enema, because it bypasses the usual filtration of the stomach lining and intestine and goes directly into the bloodstream. In other words, don't try this at home.

 

[blackcat]

I present to you, La Cloaca by Wim Delvoye

as Bradley Sir Wigans would attest, we are just automaton machine waste producing feces excreting constructions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Delvoye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Delvoye#Cloaca

 

[blackcat]

 

[Archibald]

Re: Re:

think I posted this a week back, or on Facebook, or somewhere else.

pretty funny, it raises the stakes from caffeine and potbelge suppositories.

I can see this taking on in hazing parties at frat houses at colleges in the states, inverse funnel. male-g sport, prostrate prostate [sic]

So long as they aren't introducing any substances into their bodies via enemas, I fail to see how it even warrants discussion. It's not exactly a new, high tech procedure. Bowel elimination via enema before a stage has probably been going on since Garin took a train.

there were stories years ago of hollywood celebs going for espresso enemas... so, I wouldn't be surprised if LA was in on this...

Yeah, but in LA's case it would probably be cocaine enemas. Not that here's anything wrong with that.*





*In actual fact, though, people have killed themselves by introducing drugs and alcohol into their system via enema, because it bypasses the usual filtration of the stomach lining and intestine and goes directly into the bloodstream. In other words, don't try this at home.

guess I should have bolded the potbelge, too

blackcat: a little birdie told me it was the 'him' LA...
it wasn't that 'little' either. Kind of muscular, and had a cross around it's neck... looked like a lorikeet

 

[vedrafjord]

Re: Re:

1 kg? never.

try weighing yourself before and after pooping, you wont loose more than 200-300 grams.

Depends how often you poop

They're professional athletes with highly controlled diets. With the correct dietary fibre intake and taking into account that they eat mostly whole foods, they will poop regularly.

If they're eating 8000 calories a day I guess there's a lot 'in transit' at any one time. Maybe it's just the psychological factor of knowing they're not carrying anything they don't have to - there are plenty of stories of riders doing pointless things for weight reasons like throwing away empty bidons, using friction shifters for the front derailleur etc.

Another relevant factor I can think of is if a rider has been lashing into the old tramadol with their finishing bottles - opioids are known to cause constipation.

 

[blackcat]

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If they're eating 8000 calories a day I guess there's a lot 'in transit' at any one time. Maybe it's just the psychological factor of knowing they're not carrying anything they don't have to - there are plenty of stories of riders doing pointless things for weight reasons like throwing away empty bidons, using friction shifters for the front derailleur etc.

Another relevant factor I can think of is if a rider has been lashing into the old tramadol with their finishing bottles - opioids are known to cause constipation.

Didn't Michael Rasmussen just eat ricecakes and he was known to cut off excess centimetres/inches from his team uniform/kit....

now I may be incorrect, it could be apocryphal, as no doubt many of this stories will be/are...

I do know Allen Lim was doing ricecakes and "rice bombs", but I am not conflating Rassmussen with Lim I know Lim was doing it, I am only 90% sure on my mail on Rassmussen.

but NB. Garmin, or Slipstream Chipotle had a significant amount of propaganda being released gluten free among them. so one needs to be sceptical of anything the dudes from Boulder say. "carb bombs" -- scrambled eggs and sushi rice laced with balsamic vinegar." -Lim

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

Another relevant factor I can think of is if a rider has been lashing into the old tramadol with their finishing bottles - opioids are known to cause constipation.

That thought occurred to me during my ride last night.

 

[blackcat]

I knew the Garmin propaganda was off the scale... but they were sleeping on the bus well before LRP and the Giro

Slipstream director Jonathan Vaughters and his staff review the care and feeding of the riders. No legitimate performance-enhancing detail is too small to escape their attention. Riders are prone to gulp colas after a stage, so Vaughters asks the soigneurs to look for Coca-Cola made in Mexico, which contains cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup. "Sucrose has a much higher glycemic index," he notes.
In a similar vein, team physiologist Allen Lim often sleeps in the bus and rises as early as 5 a.m. to start cooking what he calls "carb bombs" -- scrambled eggs and sushi rice laced with balsamic vinegar. Research indicates that the condiment "aids in glycogen (stored carbohydrate) re-synthesis," Lim says.

I preferred the Mexican Beef from Mauro Gianetti, he of the OD of the perfluorocarbon than almost killed him, like Museeuw's crash at Roubaix almost caused him to lose his leg...

anyway, the Mexican Beef is spiked and laced with clen

*correction: it is actually, American Beef, but the joke would have fallen flat
#Poe's_law

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

I knew the Garmin propaganda was off the scale... but they were sleeping on the bus well before LRP and the Giro

Slipstream director Jonathan Vaughters and his staff review the care and feeding of the riders. No legitimate performance-enhancing detail is too small to escape their attention. Riders are prone to gulp colas after a stage, so Vaughters asks the soigneurs to look for Coca-Cola made in Mexico, which contains cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup. "Sucrose has a much higher glycemic index," he notes.
In a similar vein, team physiologist Allen Lim often sleeps in the bus and rises as early as 5 a.m. to start cooking what he calls "carb bombs" -- scrambled eggs and sushi rice laced with balsamic vinegar. Research indicates that the condiment "aids in glycogen (stored carbohydrate) re-synthesis," Lim says.

I preferred the Mexican Beef from Mauro Gianetti, he of the OD of the perfluorocarbon than almost killed him, like Museeuw's crash at Roubaix almost caused him to lose his leg...

anyway, the Mexican Beef is spiked and laced with clen

*correction: it is actually, American Beef, but the joke would have fallen flat
#Poe's_law

Montezuma's revenge senor!
I believe this Lim you speak about does not know the real meaning of Car Bombs.
#Cole_slaw

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I knew the Garmin propaganda was off the scale... but they were sleeping on the bus well before LRP and the Giro

Slipstream director Jonathan Vaughters and his staff review the care and feeding of the riders. No legitimate performance-enhancing detail is too small to escape their attention. Riders are prone to gulp colas after a stage, so Vaughters asks the soigneurs to look for Coca-Cola made in Mexico, which contains cane sugar instead of high-fructose corn syrup. "Sucrose has a much higher glycemic index," he notes.
In a similar vein, team physiologist Allen Lim often sleeps in the bus and rises as early as 5 a.m. to start cooking what he calls "carb bombs" -- scrambled eggs and sushi rice laced with balsamic vinegar. Research indicates that the condiment "aids in glycogen (stored carbohydrate) re-synthesis," Lim says.

I preferred the Mexican Beef from Mauro Gianetti, he of the OD of the perfluorocarbon than almost killed him, like Museeuw's crash at Roubaix almost caused him to lose his leg...

anyway, the Mexican Beef is spiked and laced with clen

*correction: it is actually, American Beef, but the joke would have fallen flat
#Poe's_law

Montezuma's revenge senor!
I believe this Lim you speak about does not know the real meaning of Car Bombs.
#Cole_slaw

no, dont think Lim knows an IED from a carb-bomb

 

[carolina]

Re: Re:

1 kg? never.

try weighing yourself before and after pooping, you wont loose more than 200-300 grams.

Depends how often you poop

They're professional athletes with highly controlled diets. With the correct dietary fibre intake and taking into account that they eat mostly whole foods, they will poop regularly.

If they're eating 8000 calories a day I guess there's a lot 'in transit' at any one time. Maybe it's just the psychological factor of knowing they're not carrying anything they don't have to - there are plenty of stories of riders doing pointless things for weight reasons like throwing away empty bidons, using friction shifters for the front derailleur etc.

I highly doubt that they're eating more then 5000-6000 kcal a day. If I use froome as an example and an activity factor of 2.5 (which is really, really, really high) the daily calorie expenditure to maintain his weight is around 4200 kcal.

Also, they spend 5 to 6 hours on the bike, so they already poop before that for sure.

 

[sniper]

placebo effect should not be neglected.

Are there any anecdotes of procyclists not performing well because of bowel and/or gas issues?

Of course we get to hear about 'stomach' issues a lot, but that's such a broad term.

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

Seriously folks, there is no excess weight to eliminate beyond what you can do by simply taking a dump.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/colon-cleanses-a-load-of-you-know-what/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/study-says-to-avoid-colon-cleanses-11-08-03/

not the premise.

the theory behind Wiggins theory is there will be 300 grams of waste product in your system 24-7, and if you remove the 300 grams, and bypass the gut, and you can directly deposit the energy in your system, you have removed this 300 grams of excess weight.

The idea that this would have a performance benefit seems absurd.