Esteban Chaves Discussion Thread

[Escarabajo]

Well, I expect everyone to have good and bad days. And good and bad patches.
Hope he keeps it up.

 

[claude cat]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

 

[The_Beach]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

Huh? He was dropped right as the Froome/Contador group "caught" Pantano

 

[Blanco]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

 

[dirkprovin]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

Not sure who it was but this was Orica's stage report
https://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-scott-maintain-composure-on-stage-6-of-la-vuelta

“There was a little bit of a concern when the road got narrow, there was a little crash on the climb and Esteban got caught up and actually had to put a foot on the ground,” Stephens said."

As to whether this was the full truth and nothing but the truth or just some "spin" may be open to debate.

 

[DNP-Old]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

David De La Cruz crashed. Chavito not visible in the picture, but I reckon this is what they are referring to.

 

[Brullnux]

But he did recover quickly enough to follow all of Contador's accelerations until the last one or two, so it wasn't really that big a problem (may have been depending on how much energy he wasted getting back on.

 

[42x16ss]

Chaves may have been happy to use his team and other chasers? He only needs to be in striking distance when the steep stuff starts.

 

[HelloDolly]

The Chaves thing was confusing to me today

One minute he was near the front ....then when we cut back to the leaders he was way down ...

strange

 

[claude cat]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

David De La Cruz crashed. Chavito not visible in the picture, but I reckon this is what they are referring to.

Yes, I believe this is where it happened. No big deal. Although you'd like his positioning to be better, but seems to be a common trait with the OS riders (both Yates are guilty of it too).

 

[42x16ss]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

David De La Cruz crashed. Chavito not visible in the picture, but I reckon this is what they are referring to.

Yes, I believe this is where it happened. No big deal. Although you'd like his positioning to be better, but seems to be a common trait with the OS riders (both Yates are guilty of it too).

Hayman has commented more than once about having to drag Chaves back after dropping the wheel.

 

[jens_attacks]

chaves was not dropped because of de la cruz crash
chaves was dropped just after the hard part of the climb finished...he was dropped on a false flat by contador's pace. only tejay, froome and betancur could follow.

 

[SafeBet]

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chaves was not dropped because of de la cruz crash
chaves was dropped just after the hard part of the climb finished...he was dropped on a false flat by contador's pace. only tejay, froome and betancur could follow.

This.
In the picture you can see Nibali avoiding the crash and being with the Froome/Contador group, but Nibali was dropped before Chaves.

 

[yaco]

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The Chaves thing was confusing to me today

One minute he was near the front ....then when we cut back to the leaders he was way down ...

strange

Nothing to see - He dropped off a little bit in the last 200 metres of the climb.

 

[Krokro]

No bad day, just caught up in a small crash where he had to stop which caused the gap.

And where exactly was he caught, and who crashed? Enlighten us

David De La Cruz crashed. Chavito not visible in the picture, but I reckon this is what they are referring to.

Yes, I believe this is where it happened. No big deal. Although you'd like his positioning to be better, but seems to be a common trait with the OS riders (both Yates are guilty of it too).

What about his positioning in stage 2 (finished 11th...) or 3? Don't see anything wrong in that department.

 

[portugal11]

Not good enough. I'm begging to chaves not ride for a podium place and join forces with contador and nibsli to destroy the field and froome

 

[Escarabajo]

I think is still OK. He was out of competition for a long time and only came to do the Tour and soft pedaled there. There is hope that he will get better with the kilometers. And there is also hope that Froome won't be as strong come week three.

There is still hope!!

 

[dirkprovin]

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Not good enough. I'm begging to chaves not ride for a podium place and join forces with contador and nibsli to destroy the field and froome

I'm sure that he will treat this product of your towering intellect with the due consideration that it deserves

I think is still OK. He was out of competition for a long time and only came to do the Tour and soft pedaled there. There is hope that he will get better with the kilometers. And there is also hope that Froome won't be as strong come week three.

There is still hope!!

If his performances at last year's Vuelta can be taken as any indication; then there may be some hope as I seem to recall him being slightly off the peak early in the race and giving up similar gaps to what we saw today. Maybe his form will follow a similar pattern and he will improve as the race goes on; maybe he's just not "on" this year after his injury and changed race schedule. If the latter is the case, then at least Orica has made their mistake early in his contract and will know what not to do for the next 2 seasons.

 

[sir fly]

I think everything's going according to plan for Chaves and Orica.
These kind of climbs aren't exactly his cup of tea. Endurance, rather than explosiveness, is his strength.

 

[yaco]

Sir Fly has summed it up perfectly - Will add Chaves should ride his own race and worry less about Froome.

 

[HelloDolly]

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I think everything's going according to plan for Chaves and Orica.
These kind of climbs aren't exactly his cup of tea. Endurance, rather than explosiveness, is his strength.

what ? since when ?

he was pretty explosive at the 2015 Vuelta

in fact I think its the other way round ....he is more explosive on the shorter climbs

 

[sir fly]

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I think everything's going according to plan for Chaves and Orica.
These kind of climbs aren't exactly his cup of tea. Endurance, rather than explosiveness, is his strength.

what ? since when ?

he was pretty explosive at the 2015 Vuelta

in fact I think its the other way round ....he is more explosive on the shorter climbs

Take a look at Orica backstage pass. Chaves, himself, said that.

 

[dirkprovin]

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I think everything's going according to plan for Chaves and Orica.
These kind of climbs aren't exactly his cup of tea. Endurance, rather than explosiveness, is his strength.

what ? since when ?

he was pretty explosive at the 2015 Vuelta

in fact I think its the other way round ....he is more explosive on the shorter climbs

Take a look at Orica backstage pass. Chaves, himself, said that.

Think the truth lies somewhere in between. If he's really "on", he most certainly can be deadly on the short steep stuff. When in form, he has the explosiveness to kick away on longer climbs however he is very much at home in the really high stuff again when in form. What we really don't know is just where Chaves is at as regards both form and overall condition

 

[yaco]

Form is good - Condition should be OK but no guarantees.

 

[Blanco]

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I think is still OK. He was out of competition for a long time and only came to do the Tour and soft pedaled there. There is hope that he will get better with the kilometers. And there is also hope that Froome won't be as strong come week three.

There is still hope!!

Not much, for the win.