Euro 2016

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Re: Re:

Because of a missed penalty? That's weird.

Anyway, another draw another moral victory.

Wether it's fair or not, when you have Pepe and Ronaldo in your team, you can expect to get a lot of hate.

For me also I can never cheer for Portugal (or Germany for that matter), because of my nationality.

 

[The Hitch]

It's seems that most of the games have been a case of one team creating all the chances, keeping possession and being the aggressor whereas the other is either outmatched skill wise and/or chooses to play defense as to not lose and come away with a point. As much as I despise Ronaldo, you gotta feel a little sorry for him and especially the rest of the team. Their first two games, Portugal have shot the ball around 50 times, and the combined effort of Iceland and Austria, around 10. That's 5x as many shots, roughly, as your opponent in just two games alone. That's ridiculous. The nice thing for them, and for the other three teams in that group, it is now completely open. Anyone could win this group and apart from Hungary, anyone could fail to get out of the group. Hungary is, by my calculation, already through, though which place they'll end up is still in the air. They could win the group, as could Portugal and Iceland. Austria have to beat Iceland to advance. Portugal can win the group if they beat Hungary, would be out if they lost and funnily enough, could advance with three ties, but that might be a stretch. Would love to see underdog teams advance, so that means Austria, Iceland and Hungary. I know we are all harsh on Uefa and the current set up with 24 teams, but it does give everyone a chance and should keep all the fans interested, even if the actual quality of play doesn't.

Given your username, I would have thought you would be less sympathetic to the idea of 67% of teams progressing from a group. In the NBA many think its already ridiculous with 53%.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Because of a missed penalty? That's weird.

Anyway, another draw another moral victory.

Wether it's fair or not, when you have Pepe and Ronaldo in your team, you can expect to get a lot of hate.

For me also I can never cheer for Portugal (or Germany for that matter), because of my nationality.

Don't forget Nani, he's just as hatable.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Because of a missed penalty? That's weird.

Anyway, another draw another moral victory.

Wether it's fair or not, when you have Pepe and Ronaldo in your team, you can expect to get a lot of hate.

For me also I can never cheer for Portugal (or Germany for that matter), because of my nationality.

you,re dutch right?
how does that keep one from cheering for portugal?
germany, agreed.

 

[sniper]

it does give everyone a chance and should keep all the fans interested, even if the actual quality of play doesn't.

they already have a fair chance in the regular EM qualifying rounds.Those qualifications are already a big bore, now the actual champiosnship is, too.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Because of a missed penalty? That's weird.

Anyway, another draw another moral victory.

Wether it's fair or not, when you have Pepe and Ronaldo in your team, you can expect to get a lot of hate.

For me also I can never cheer for Portugal (or Germany for that matter), because of my nationality.

you,re dutch right?
how does that keep one from cheering for portugal?
germany, agreed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NyYHZAPpI

Maybe

 

[hrotha]

I bet they had the gall to blame the referee after that.

 

[sniper]

yeah, i vaguely remember that match

but still the rivalry we have with portugal is peanuts compared to the antipathy many dutch soccer fans feel towards german football. (i used to share those sentiments, i mean its what you grow up with in NL, but i,ve grown indifferent and, like many, can now apprecoate their positive playin style. I still enjoy massively when they loose, though)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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I bet they had the gall to blame the referee after that.

IIRC they did, the ref got blamed for not letting the game flow and interrupting it too much causing tempers to flare.

Because if there's one thing that will prevent players from losing their temper, it's letting the opposition kick them unpunished.

Of course, at the other end of the spectrum you've got Brazil-Colombia in the World Cup where the Brazilian defenders and midfielders were just fouling James Rodríguez constantly, the ref didn't book anybody, and in the second half the Colombians came out and started giving as good as they got, it took over an hour for anybody to get booked despite the best part of 50 fouls before that, and of course the culmination of all these terrible tackles going unpunished was Zuñiga doing a number on Neymar.

 

[sniper]

well yeah. Bouhlarouz' red card in that match was ridiculous (one yellow for complaining, a second yellow for a foul that wasn't a foul), whereas Figo shouldn't have been on the pitch anymore after headbutting Bommel.
Then Deco's flying tackle on Heitinga, only yellow, lol. That should've been dark red.

we didn't deserve to win, we weren't clever or good enough for that.
but we got objectively screwed by the refs there.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Re:

yeah, i vaguely remember that match

but still the rivalry we have with portugal is peanuts compared to the antipathy many dutch soccer fans feel towards german football. (i used to share those sentiments, i mean its what you grow up with in NL, but i,ve grown indifferent and, like many, can now apprecoate their positive playin style. I still enjoy massively when they loose, though)

True it's not like with Germany, but statistically the Netherlands has performed very bad against Portugal. I think Portugal is generally considered to be a bit of an Angstgegner for us, no? And yes, of course that infamous match also plays a role.

Actually looking up the statistics, we've only won against Portugal once out of twelve games!
http://www.11v11.com/teams/netherlands/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Portugal/

 

[Brullnux]

Not as bad as Germany vs Italy, or Italy with Brazil. Germany have never beaten Italy in a major tournament and Italy always seem to lose to Brazil

 

[sniper]

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Not as bad as Germany vs Italy, or Italy with Brazil. Germany have never beaten Italy in a major tournament and Italy always seem to lose to Brazil

But that's all under the rubric "bearable".

Losing to Germany, especially at the WC or EC knock-out stage, is unbearable for a Dutch soccer fan.
I'm not sure if there's anything that fully compares.

Many Dutchies weren't totally unhappy to lose to Argentina in the 2014 WC semi's, because the prospect of losing to Germany in the finals is the stuff of nightmares.

 

[BigMac]

How did you cope with losing to both Germany and Portugal in the 2012 EC group stage?

 

[BullsFan22]

It's seems that most of the games have been a case of one team creating all the chances, keeping possession and being the aggressor whereas the other is either outmatched skill wise and/or chooses to play defense as to not lose and come away with a point. As much as I despise Ronaldo, you gotta feel a little sorry for him and especially the rest of the team. Their first two games, Portugal have shot the ball around 50 times, and the combined effort of Iceland and Austria, around 10. That's 5x as many shots, roughly, as your opponent in just two games alone. That's ridiculous. The nice thing for them, and for the other three teams in that group, it is now completely open. Anyone could win this group and apart from Hungary, anyone could fail to get out of the group. Hungary is, by my calculation, already through, though which place they'll end up is still in the air. They could win the group, as could Portugal and Iceland. Austria have to beat Iceland to advance. Portugal can win the group if they beat Hungary, would be out if they lost and funnily enough, could advance with three ties, but that might be a stretch. Would love to see underdog teams advance, so that means Austria, Iceland and Hungary. I know we are all harsh on Uefa and the current set up with 24 teams, but it does give everyone a chance and should keep all the fans interested, even if the actual quality of play doesn't.

Given your username, I would have thought you would be less sympathetic to the idea of 67% of teams progressing from a group. In the NBA many think its already ridiculous with 53%.

Yes, well the Bulls had a season to forget. Their level of play gradually worsened as the season wore on (it really did 'wore' on). Not sure if many Chicago fans would have been that excited to see them in the playoffs, the way they've played the last month of the season.

 

[sniper]

Re:

How did you cope with losing to both Germany and Portugal in the 2012 EC group stage?

Well, as i said, i personally never felt a particular rivalry with portugal. I never saw them as an angstgegner, although I am aware that we have lousy statistics against them.

Thing is, against Germany we lost some historical matches that we should have won based on the quality of our squad.
From what I remember, the last couple of games we lost against Portugal, we lost because we just didn't have a very decent team. As I said, the Dutch team of the past 5 to 10 years is massively overrated due to what I would call 'accidental' 2nd and 3rd places at WCs.

 

[BigMac]

Funny thing, here we don't have the same sentiment towards you. The Dutch team is taken in very high regard and probably the one whose past we most praise and revere. Players like Edgar Davids, Edwin van der Sar, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Arjen Robben are all seen as legends by my generation. During the Brazil WC lots of Portuguese were cheering for the Netherlands, especially after that alien header from van Persie.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re:

well yeah. Bouhlarouz' red card in that match was ridiculous (one yellow for complaining, a second yellow for a foul that wasn't a foul), whereas Figo shouldn't have been on the pitch anymore after headbutting Bommel.
Then Deco's flying tackle on Heitinga, only yellow, lol. That should've been dark red.

we didn't deserve to win, we weren't clever or good enough for that.
but we got objectively screwed by the refs there.

At least Deco got sent off later anyway, iirc he had done an obvious dive, not been given the free kick and threw a hissy about it, which is why he went tracking back and launched that flying tackle on Heitinga in anger. Nuno Valente's yellow was borderline red as well, because it was so clearly against the rules that while it wasn't a studs showing or two footed challenge, it was clearly done intentionally with no regard to the rules of the game and no interest in getting the ball.

I had forgotten what an absolute idiot Figo was in that match though, his second yellow for "elbowing" Figo was dreadful. This is the problem Portugal have, they've got a horrible history in the last 20 years of really great players who are also among the most cynical, unlikable divers and dirty players. Both teams were acting like clowns, and certainly Mark van Bommel has done enough goonery in his time to have no right to complain when some of it gets shot back at him, but Figo was just indefensible that day.

Edit: BigMac, I can't agree that Robben belongs in the same sentence as the other three. Nothing like their class.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

How did you cope with losing to both Germany and Portugal in the 2012 EC group stage?

Well, as i said, i personally never felt a particular rivalry with portugal. I never saw them as an angstgegner, although I am aware that we have lousy statistics against them.

Thing is, against Germany we lost some historical matches that we should have won based on the quality of our squad.
From what I remember, the last couple of games we lost against Portugal, we lost because we just didn't have a very decent team. As I said, the Dutch team of the past 5 to 10 years is massively overrated due to what I would call 'accidental' 2nd and 3rd places at WCs.

I don't have any specific feelings about the Portugal rivalry. For 2012, after losing to Denmark I was already in the acceptance phase when the Portugal match ended, and by the Germany match I was just laughing at it.

I did feel extra happy about the 5-1 match vs Spain and the Worlds though.

It's such a shame for us though that one of our best generation didn't manage to win anything. I'll never forgive Robben for missing that eye to eye chance with Casillas in that final. Our next generation is pretty bad, they won't win anything, I'm pretty sure about that.

Also, the 2010 team definitely isn't overrated. We had like 5 guy's being decisive for some of the best clubs in the world, every single week. That, and the team clicked. 2014 was kinda lucky though, but then you lose in penalties, so it could've been better.

 

[Flamin]

Thank god Iker saved that ball. So much luck the Dutch had throughout the tournament, it had to end sometime. Not to mention their ugly anti-Dutch football they played.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

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Also, the 2010 team definitely isn't overrated. We had like 5 guy's being decisive for some of the best clubs in the world, every single week. That, and the team clicked. 2014 was kinda lucky though, but then you lose in penalties, so it could've been better.

Yeah the 2010 team really was quite good. But hey, we've had many good teams and only in '88 did they manage to win something. They didn't win in the 70s either and in the latter half of the 90's with Bergkamp, Kluivert Overmars, Davids, Seedorf, Van Der Sar etc. they also managed not to win anything somehow......

But let's be fair about 2010, we were crazy lucky Nigel de Jong didn't get sent off right for what has to be one of the most atrocious fouls ever committed in a World Cup.

Football is frustrating when you're Dutch, so many great teams, so little success.....

 

[Zam_Olyas]

You were unlucky in 1994 and 98, imo. losing to brazil both times...and both of them were good matches. Cocu and Rijkaard were two of my fav Dutch players...2 good quality utility players.

 

[BullsFan22]

Did France and Switzerland have a truce or something? Worst game of the Euro so far.

 

[Brullnux]

Did France and Switzerland have a truce or something? Worst game of the Euro so far.

Wouldn't be surprised, it's not the first time if so.

 

[Flamin]

Come on, first half was pretty entertaining. High tempo throughout.