Question Everesting

How quickly would Teddy complete Everesting challenge if in top form?

  • Under 6 hours

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Between 6:00:00 and 6:15:00

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Between 6:15:00 and 6:30:00

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Between 6:30:00 and 6:40:00

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • He wouldn't even beat McLaughin monster record

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • He wouldn't even complete the challenge as he lacks endurance

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Total voters
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Everesting means climbing a total of 8848 vertical meters by cycling or running one hill. It's required that those multiple ascents and descents are done on the same road or path segment. This is a serious endurance challenge and it requires great fitness and will power to do it at once without big breaks. My daily hiking record (3600 vertical meters up) isn't even half of Everesting and it felt like a huge effort. Here are top times by cyclists:

1) Ronan McLaughin 6:40:54 (2021)
2) Sean Gardner 6:59:38 (2020)
3) Nathan Earle 7:10:10 (2020)
4) Alberto Contador 7:27:20 (2020)
5) Lachlan Morton 7:29:00 (2020)


Ronan McLaughin holds the record now. As you can see there's one world class climber past his career (Contador) on this list but later his record was easily beaten by a few less known guys.

What are typical characteristics of climbs?

1) Big average gradient (10-15%): it enables to change almost the whole power into vertical speed (VAM) as gravity is the main resistive force (aero drag and rolling friction are less important).
2) Low elevation: more oxygen mean more power, no surprise here. The current record was achieved in Ireland near the sea level.
3) Good asphalt quality: less energy lost to overcome friction can result in significant time gains at the end.
4) Non-technical descent: no energy lost to accelerate after switchbacks.
5) Short road segment (usually around 1 km): it's easier to find short, steep segments plus on shorter climbs one can theoretically achieve higher VAM (but it should be done very carefully: shorter descents and intervals accumulation can hit you hard at some point).
6) Weather conditions? McLaughin's impressive record was achieved in Ireland and I'm curious how helpful was the wind (it was quite strong 5-7 m/s from south, which would help on Mamore Gap segment).

It would be interesting to watch some top cyclist nowadays take this challenge. Given how impressive are Pogacar's Z2 and Z4 I would like to see him do that. What kind of time could he potentially achieve? Let's try to guess. I'm assuming he would do those climbs somewhere in Z3 (Z4 or Z5 intervals would kill him at some point), let's say in 5.5-6 w/kg range. On a 10+ % climb this would translate to 1750-1800 m/h of VAM so around 5 hours for climbing alone. Assuming around 70 km of ascent (and descent) would be needed (12-13%) we should add around one additional hour for descent. So according to my rough calculations about 6 hours! (or probably 15-20 minutes more due to decceleration/acceleration/turning needed)

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Voted under 6 because at some point he could switch to Z4 and basically do 3 minute or so intervals

Decceleration/acceleration/turning so many times could cost additional 15-20 minutes in total (i.e. 15-20 seconds per lap), that's why I voted 6:00:00-6:15:00. he probably won't have many Z4 intervals left after 6-7 vertical kilometers done.
 
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Are we really questioning whether he wouldn't put an hour into a club level rider?
In this case, putting an hour into the club level rider requires putting an hour and a half into one of the best CT sputniks of the time in Nathan Earle. And it also requires putting over 1h45 into 2020 Buchmann's disqualified attempt. I think McLaughin's time is more impressive than you're giving it credit for. Compare it to running - if pro cyclists are marathon runners, then this is more like an ultramarathon, and there is a difference between both skillsets.
 
In this case, putting an hour into the club level rider requires putting an hour and a half into one of the best CT sputniks of the time in Nathan Earle. And it also requires putting over 1h45 into 2020 Buchmann's disqualified attempt. I think McLaughin's time is more impressive than you're giving it credit for. Compare it to running - if pro cyclists are marathon runners, then this is more like an ultramarathon, and there is a difference between both skillsets.
What happened to Buchmann?

Very minor claim to fame: I've ridden the Gap of Mamore (Co Donegal) where Ronan McLaughlin established the record. I believe he did it 18 times. I found once was plenty.
 
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In this case, putting an hour into the club level rider requires putting an hour and a half into one of the best CT sputniks of the time in Nathan Earle. And it also requires putting over 1h45 into 2020 Buchmann's disqualified attempt. I think McLaughin's time is more impressive than you're giving it credit for. Compare it to running - if pro cyclists are marathon runners, then this is more like an ultramarathon, and there is a difference between both skillsets.
We're talking about an effort that's +/- 6 hours, which is a regular duration for a WT race, even if on the long side, so it's really not as much a seperate disciplin. It's a 6h effort with a flatter pacing plan.

Unless there is very significant cheating involved in the 6'40, there is no reason to doubt the single most tailor made athlete for this event you could think of could go sub 6.
 
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We're talking about an effort that's +/- 6 hours, which is a regular duration for a WT race, even if on the long side, so it's really not as much a seperate disciplin. It's a 6h effort with a flatter pacing plan.

Unless there is very significant cheating involved in the 6'40, there is no reason to doubt the single most tailor made athlete for this event you could think of could go sub 6.

I presented my rough calculations in the OP and it gave circa 6 hours of ride (plus 10-20 mins for decceleration acceleration and turning). Feel free to think Pog can achieve VAM over 1800 m/h for such a huge effort (even if its intervals),. As I mentioned, McLauhin likely benefited from 20-30 kph tailwind when going uphill.
 
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I presented my rough calculations in the OP and it gave circa 6 hours of ride (plus 10-20 mins for decceleration acceleration and turning). Feel free to think Pog can achieve VAM over 1800 m/h for such a huge effort (even if its intervals),. As I mentioned, McLauhin likely benefited from 20-30 kph tailwind when going uphill.
It really just becomes an exercise in "how much effort do would they put into finding good conditions" in finding a suitable hill in terms of gradient, straightness and consistent tailwind. And if you find that, it doesn't need to be very long.

Knowing UAE they'd build a landfill themselves and make a track style camber corner at the bottom to recycle kinetic energy.
 
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Ronan Mcloughlin is from Muff, County Donegal, Ireland. He set the record at age 33 on a climb near home that he knows inside out. Pogacar will probably never attempt to tackle this record, so woulda, coulda, shoulda.
It's a record that us Irish are extremely proud of (I just found out about it yesterday).
 
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What happened to Buchmann?

Very minor claim to fame: I've ridden the Gap of Mamore (Co Donegal) where Ronan McLaughlin established the record. I believe he did it 18 times. I found once was plenty.

76 climbs were needed to reach 8848 vertical meters (he did 78 to be sure). Besides obvious physical difficultly, big mental effort is required to repeat the same section over and over again.
 
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Ronan Mcloughlin is from Muff, County Donegal, Ireland. He set the record at age 33 on a climb near home that he knows inside out. Pogacar will probably never attempt to tackle this record, so woulda, coulda, shoulda.
It's a record that us Irish are extremely proud of (I just found out about it yesterday).
Would love to see Pogacar try this at the end of season. Fly from Bergamo to Knock airport after Lombardy. Drive up to Donegal. Have a cup of tea in Daniel O' Donnell's house and then attempt the record.
 
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Would love to see Pogacar try this at the end of season. Fly from Bergamo to Knock airport after Lombardy. Drive up to Donegal. Have a cup of tea in Daniel O' Donnell's house and then attempt the record.
I think if Daniel agrees to meet him and sing him a few ditties, then it's a done deal.
 
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