If you want, I can include you as a target in my clobbering spree.But it has such a nice, violent, ring to it!![]()
If you want, I can include you as a target in my clobbering spree.But it has such a nice, violent, ring to it!![]()
If you have a couple years more of racing ahead and already have 58 wins, Olympic medal, WC medal, GT hat-trick, monument, prestigious wins on stages, one day and week races. No way is that out of reach.As much as I like Roglic, Contador and Froome's palmares are out of reach for someone of his age and especially with someone like Pogacar being around.
And it is such a great way to end a sentenceBut it has such a nice, violent, ring to it!![]()
This has becom some kind of an axiom. Which is weird because the number of times Pogačar beat Roglič in stage races amounts to a grand total of 1. I mean sure it's possible Pogačar is better but as it is currently, the actual evidence is pretty inconclusive IMO.What makes you think Roglic is inferior to Pogacar?
Would you rate Pog's 2 tours + Lbl higher than Rog's 3 vueltas + Lbl?According to my system Roglic now has 4 big career wins (+OTT gold, which is a bonus).
He's nowhere near Nibali, Contador or Froome, all of whom have 7. Perhaps closer to Lemond or Saronni.
And the number of times Roglic beat Pogacar is 3. And in 2 of them Pogacar was U21.This has becom some kind of an axiom. Which is weird because the number of times Pogačar beat Roglič in stage races amounts to a grand total of 1. I mean sure it's possible Pogačar is better but as it is currently, the actual evidence is pretty inconclusive IMO.
NoWell in GT years Roglič is 3 years old too. He started around 2019.
2016 first stage winYes. Before that he was junior.
What Pogacar did in the Alps was ridiculous though. In 20 km he put almost 3 and half minutes into his all biggest rivals. Let's not pretend that Carapaz, Vingegaard or Mas are poor riders, they just had no energy to compete with Pog in those terrible conditions (despite them Pog still beat Romme and Romme+Colombiere combo record). Pefromance of the year for sure.On TDF 2020 Pogačar did beat Roglič and that should count as a strong win with Tour aura invovled. On TDF 2021 due to safety fiasco the field was not as strong hence i feel that TDF 2021 should count much less. Not more then a strong Giro or Vuelta win.
I would rate ANY multiple TdF wins above any combination of multiple Giros or Vueltas, taking away monuments/classics. The plain truth is that -- like it or not -- the Tour is the main goal of every team unless you're a pro-conti invitee to the Giro or Vuelta. That's what sponsors want and what the general public understands.Would you rate Pog's 2 tours + Lbl higher than Rog's 3 vueltas + Lbl?
Would you rate Pog's bronze in orr higher than Rog's gold in ott?
Baby GOAT.2016 first stage win
2017 almost win KOM
2018 4th in TDF
It was a strong performance still the filed was not the strongest. Lets not forget Carapaz and Vingegaard came to this race as domestiques. Both losing their leaders. I can't rate TDF 2021 win higher then Vuelta 2021 win. It's around the same for me. Giro 2021 win was solid to.What Pogacar did in the Alps was ridiculous though. In 20 km he put almost 3 and half minutes into his all biggest rivals. Let's not pretend that Carapaz, Vingegaard or Mas are poor riders, they just had no energy to compete with Pog in those terrible conditions (despite them Pog still beat Romme and Romme+Colombiere combo record). Pefromance of the year for sure.
No to the first question. TIf they had the same number of big wins I would give Pog the edge but it's not the case.Would you rate Pog's 2 tours + Lbl higher than Rog's 3 vueltas + Lbl?
Would you rate Pog's bronze in orr higher than Rog's gold in ott?
I disagree in both cases but I appreciate your response.No to the first question. TIf they had the same number of big wins I would give Pog the edge but it's not the case.
Second question: both are kind of minor achievements, compared to their big wins. I would rate Rogla's gold higher, but only in case of a tie break.
I understand what you're saying but it's clearly TJV and Roglic have unfinished business at the Tour. At the same time Wout is one of the biggest stars in cycling and very important for the sponsors. Rog vs Pog is the most anticipated duel in 2022, it's bigger than WvA vs MVDP after Wout started to lose his punch. I hope Wout doesn't go for green next year but we will see.I think he should focus on Giro - Vuelta double next year. Tour has become Pogačar's playground with 100% UAE team support and it will stay that way as long as he races there.
But Jumbo Visma will not let that happen. The will go on Tour every year with mediocre support for Roglič (and rest for Wout) and Roglič will have to fight uphill as hell and settle for Vuelta at the end.
I can't say i'm happy with that. I know Wout is great but he's no TdF (or any other GT) winner. And if JV is really serious about winning it, they should go 100% in with the best (including Wout). Even then, they fight UAE with alien Pogačar and Ineos bots.
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