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I mean, he sprinted away after Evenepoel did all the pacing inside the final kms, which was the big fight last year between the two fan bases.
The idea stomp is boring or something to hold against Rogla. That usually come from the opposite camp. Imagine if one day Remco would stomp. Universe would then for sure agree this is the best thing after sliced bread.
Anyway. Rogla has more serious things to think about now. Then this BS.
Anyway. Rogla has more serious things to think about now. Then this BS.
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Stomp is great. The problem is that stomps will not be able to compensate for the bad day in the final TT. Haven’t we been here before?
I was pissed the way they rode TDF 2020 before the TT actually happened. They could have easily taken it had they not thought 53 seconds is enough for the final TT.
About the team. As we saw yesterday they are more than able to match Ineos. In fact, they are the strongest team right now. And instead of using that power they are jacking around protecting second place and sparing theselves needlessly…
G suggesting they are “clever” to stay out of pink should be a warning sign to them…
Edit: To continue my rant. Maybe they can just stay out of Pink all they way to Rome. They can then take a group photo of 8 fresh guys smiling how clever they were to make others do the work…
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The 2020 Jumbo team in this scenario are actually Ineos. They're doing all the work, riding like they have a massive lead on GC whereas in reality it's just two seconds. That's nothing. Roglic has to actively brake to not grab the lead on GC.
People keep using that one TT where Roglic didn't perform quite up to par (still not that bad, mind you... he got 5th) as evidence that Jumbo should race every stage like it's their last and attack on every possible occasion. I'm sure he won't go into the final TT not having attacked once, but for now there's just no need and no point. Also, he's not up against an extraterrestrial like Pogacar here. I doubt Geraint Thomas would have done much better in that Planche des Belles Filles TT.
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Rogla will win the mountain TT, even if Remco magically re-enters the race. Ineos know this. They will have to break him sooner. It is at that point that TJV should pounce, when GT/Ineos are on the edge. Not on a silly stage like yesterday's. This is why the TGH abandonment more or less meant the end of the Giro GC race, modulo external factors.
Let's see if I'll have to eat my hat.
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The point is not whether Thomas or Roglic will be faster in the final TT. The point is that we don't know who'll be faster and Roglic should want to put himself into a position where he wins the Giro even if the answer turns out to be Thomas.
The point is that a lot of fans are just bored with this Giro and want to see action. Hence Roglic gets the blame. But Roglic doesn't have to do anything at this point, there's still 3 mountaintop finishes before the TT.
Also, and this will probably be called a lame excuse by these same fans, Bouwman says that Roglic is still definitely feeling quite sore after the crash with Geoghegan Hart. Which stands to reason, Roglic went down just as hard as Hart, and Hart broke his pelvis.
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If Thomas will indeed win that TT, then it will be bloody hard to make time on him, cause that will probably mean he's the stronger one.
Lmao, dude crashed two days ago where one guy broke his hip (Tao), one guy DNS next day (Covi), and one guy barely finished the stage and is now used as domestique in the first kms of the stages and is just happy he can finish. (Sivakov).
Name one rider in the peloton who would be mocked for not attacking two days after a crash? It's a rhetorical question obviously. Appreciate the toughness and resilience of Primoz and don't take it for granted.
Man, The disrespect he gets sometimes is just sad really.
Name one rider in the peloton who would be mocked for not attacking two days after a crash? It's a rhetorical question obviously. Appreciate the toughness and resilience of Primoz and don't take it for granted.
Man, The disrespect he gets sometimes is just sad really.
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Roglic has a history of underperforming in late GT TT's though. He was climbing better than Pogacar in the third week of the 2020 Tour but we all know what happened in the final TT.
That's not a 'history of underperforming'. That's just one time.
In fact, the last time he rode a time trial in the final weekend of a grand tour, he won it.
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Don't know why anyone looks at yesterday and thinks "that was a good opportunity to win the Giro".
There are at least 3 much better opportunities in road stages. In addition, ITT is gonna be 13 minutes max on the TT bike and around 28 minutes on the road bike.
There are at least 3 much better opportunities in road stages. In addition, ITT is gonna be 13 minutes max on the TT bike and around 28 minutes on the road bike.
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Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) from Marseille to Marseille was won by Maciej Bodnar before MichaÅ Kwiatkowski and Chris Froome. Chris Froome was leading the general classification.
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Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) from Saint-Pée-sur-Nivelle to Espelette was won by Tom Dumoulin before Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas. Geraint Thomas was leading the general classification.
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Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Richard Carapaz is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2019, before Vincenzo Nibali and Primož RogliÄ. The stage from Verona to Verona was won by Chad Haga.
www.procyclingstats.com
Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) from Lure to La Planche des Belles Filles was won by Tadej PogaÄar before Tom Dumoulin and Richie Porte. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.
www.procyclingstats.com
La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021, before Enric Mas and Jack Haig. The stage from Padrón to Santiago de Compostela was won by Primož RogliÄ.
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These are all TT's Roglic has ever ridden on the final weekend of a gt. Yes he won the most recent one of those but you will have to admit that's a bit underwhelming considering how good of a TTer Roglic usually is.
Now you might argue it's a coincidence all those TTs happened on a final weekend but at least you will have to admit Roglic's TTs are quite inconsistent. And then what else do we need to argue about? If a rider is an inconsistent TTer he should certainly want to take a bit of an advantage into that final TT and that's all I ever said.
Do I think it was a massive mistake not to test Thomas yesterday? Not really, but he has to attack him at some point and to me it seems like yesterday would have been just as good for that as the coming mountain stages. If he didn't attack because he is still feeling the crashes then fair enough. Not gaining time yesterday was suboptimal but I won't blame him for not attacking in that case. But then it's not like I did so in the first place.
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Bouwman said in the pre race interview today Roglic crashed quite hard on his hip, and Roglic himself said he's not feeling 100% yet.
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I really wonder why we're talking about Roglic' 3rd week ITT again when there's like 5 good reasons he didn't attack yesterday that don't require Jumbo to be waiting for the MTT.Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) from Marseille to Marseille was won by Maciej Bodnar before MichaÅ Kwiatkowski and Chris Froome. Chris Froome was leading the general classification.Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) from Saint-Pée-sur-Nivelle to Espelette was won by Tom Dumoulin before Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas. Geraint Thomas was leading the general classification.Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Richard Carapaz is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2019, before Vincenzo Nibali and Primož RogliÄ. The stage from Verona to Verona was won by Chad Haga.Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) from Lure to La Planche des Belles Filles was won by Tadej PogaÄar before Tom Dumoulin and Richie Porte. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021, before Enric Mas and Jack Haig. The stage from Padrón to Santiago de Compostela was won by Primož RogliÄ.
These are all TT's Roglic has ever ridden on the final weekend of a gt. Yes he won the most recent one of those but you will have to admit that's a bit underwhelming considering how good of a TTer Roglic usually is.
Now you might argue it's a coincidence all those TTs happened on a final weekend but at least you will have to admit Roglic's TTs are quite inconsistent. And then what else do we need to argue about? If a rider is an inconsistent TTer he should certainly want to take a bit of an advantage into that final TT and that's all I ever said.
Do I think it was a massive mistake not to test Thomas yesterday? Not really, but he has to attack him at some point and to me it seems like yesterday would have been just as good for that as the coming mountain stages. If he didn't attack because he is still feeling the crashes then fair enough. Not gaining time yesterday was suboptimal but I won't blame him for not attacking in that case. But then it's not like I did so in the first place.
I'll give you the Tour 2018, he was actually riding for something that day (the podium) and lost it (but didn't he have some piece of gravel stuck in his arm, or something?). And obviously 2020. But in the Giro 2019 he wasn't fit, and in 2017 he had nothing to gain. So that doesn't really constitute much of a permanent problem with final time trials.Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) from Marseille to Marseille was won by Maciej Bodnar before MichaÅ Kwiatkowski and Chris Froome. Chris Froome was leading the general classification.Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) from Saint-Pée-sur-Nivelle to Espelette was won by Tom Dumoulin before Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas. Geraint Thomas was leading the general classification.Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Richard Carapaz is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2019, before Vincenzo Nibali and Primož RogliÄ. The stage from Verona to Verona was won by Chad Haga.Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) from Lure to La Planche des Belles Filles was won by Tadej PogaÄar before Tom Dumoulin and Richie Porte. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021, before Enric Mas and Jack Haig. The stage from Padrón to Santiago de Compostela was won by Primož RogliÄ.
These are all TT's Roglic has ever ridden on the final weekend of a gt. Yes he won the most recent one of those but you will have to admit that's a bit underwhelming considering how good of a TTer Roglic usually is.
Now you might argue it's a coincidence all those TTs happened on a final weekend but at least you will have to admit Roglic's TTs are quite inconsistent. And then what else do we need to argue about? If a rider is an inconsistent TTer he should certainly want to take a bit of an advantage into that final TT and that's all I ever said.
Do I think it was a massive mistake not to test Thomas yesterday? Not really, but he has to attack him at some point and to me it seems like yesterday would have been just as good for that as the coming mountain stages. If he didn't attack because he is still feeling the crashes then fair enough. Not gaining time yesterday was suboptimal but I won't blame him for not attacking in that case. But then it's not like I did so in the first place.
I think if anything he's learned from the Tour 2020 that he should really save his energy by not having to do all the extra stuff that comes with being in the leader's jersey.
Personally I don't even think Geraint Thomas is the biggest threat. Almeida looks quite ominous there in 3d, I think he'll go better in an uphill time trial than Thomas.
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He had a mechanical in 2017, a stone in his elbow in 2018, was sick in the Giro.Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2017 Stage 20 (ITT) from Marseille to Marseille was won by Maciej Bodnar before MichaÅ Kwiatkowski and Chris Froome. Chris Froome was leading the general classification.Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2018 Stage 20 (ITT) from Saint-Pée-sur-Nivelle to Espelette was won by Tom Dumoulin before Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas. Geraint Thomas was leading the general classification.Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Richard Carapaz is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2019, before Vincenzo Nibali and Primož RogliÄ. The stage from Verona to Verona was won by Chad Haga.Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2020 Stage 20 (ITT) from Lure to La Planche des Belles Filles was won by Tadej PogaÄar before Tom Dumoulin and Richie Porte. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results
Primož RogliÄ is the winner of La Vuelta ciclista a España 2021, before Enric Mas and Jack Haig. The stage from Padrón to Santiago de Compostela was won by Primož RogliÄ.
These are all TT's Roglic has ever ridden on the final weekend of a gt. Yes he won the most recent one of those but you will have to admit that's a bit underwhelming considering how good of a TTer Roglic usually is.
Now you might argue it's a coincidence all those TTs happened on a final weekend but at least you will have to admit Roglic's TTs are quite inconsistent. And then what else do we need to argue about? If a rider is an inconsistent TTer he should certainly want to take a bit of an advantage into that final TT and that's all I ever said.
Do I think it was a massive mistake not to test Thomas yesterday? Not really, but he has to attack him at some point and to me it seems like yesterday would have been just as good for that as the coming mountain stages. If he didn't attack because he is still feeling the crashes then fair enough. Not gaining time yesterday was suboptimal but I won't blame him for not attacking in that case. But then it's not like I did so in the first place.
Roglic & Bouwman were pretty clear, he still has some discomfort from the crash and he gets better every day. Honestly I think this passive way of riding from Ineos&UAE is in Roglic's favor and it shows they don't trust G&Almeida to actually deliver. They let Roglic recover very well in the last days and they might regret it later. Tbh Ineos is basically Jumbo in tdf2020, they should've attacked him yesterday and make the racing harder but actually they are just delivering a very slow pace.
If Roglic felt good yesterday and could've stomp the guys, Jumbo would've definitely paced. They've done it multiple times. Instead Roglic was clearly shaken and was happy he finished with the rest. I'm curious if tomorrow on the last climb Roglic attacks or not, that should show us if he's back to 100 %.
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Rog seems like a pretty smiley, happy relaxed dude for someone who isn't 100%.
I think Thomas tested him a little yesterday already with that dig at the end & today was basically Ineos surrendering the jersey because they've had enough of Jumbo just sitting on their wheels.
As for rider interviews & the narratives that emerge during a race based on what they tell the media... wait & see.
Rog has gone from having Covid to now carrying an injury. Still, despite all these problems he's only 2 seconds behind his closest rival. Not bad so far huh.
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Rog needs to just improve enough to be the only one to hold Kuss wheel on the really big boy climbs.
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Just bringing up something from the first page of the thread: Can Roglič beat the great Geraint Thomas?Roglic battling it out with the greats today.
That's after/before the stage, otherwise he has the poker face. Marc Reef said before the mountain stage:
The whole stitches things came only after Crans Montana in Slovenian media but obviously they were applied right after the crash.
Thomas responded to an attack from Dunbar in the last 600m and he basically didn't drop anyone notable. He said he expected an attack from Roglic just like everyone else. Simply because that's how Roglic does it plenty of times including this year. He's only 2 seconds behind because Ineos didn't attack him, they preferred to recover Swift and Sivakov yesterday than sacrifice De Plus and Arensman.
If Roglic is 100 %, then Jumbo would've paced hard Croix de Coeur when Ineos struggled. Roglic would've also gone for stage win and bonus seconds. He knows betting everything on the 3rd week is too risky, he even said himself in stage 8 that he tries to take as much time as possible.
Ineos knew today that Roglic is biding his time but they let the breakaway to 21 minutes, they couldn't care less. If you trust Thomas and want to hurt Roglic that's the last thing you should do. Ineos still has to control the break and Groupama is gonna have an a very weak pace tomorrow, trying to keep Armirail for one more day. On stage 16, G is still gonna be the virtual leader and Ineos would have to pace. Ineos only cared about G's rest time which kinda shows he is not necessarily that strong. given that's probably only 2 days at best and after the second day you also get a rest day.
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He had a mechanical in 2017, a stone in his elbow in 2018, was sick in the Giro.
In 2017, it looks like he was also terrible in the first ITT. He actually placed better in the final week ITT. I think the last one is meant to be 2019 Giro where he was sick and had crashed and lost his form.
In 2017, it looks like he was also terrible in the first ITT. He actually placed better in the final week ITT. I think the last one is meant to be 2019 Giro where he was sick and had crashed and lost his form.
The truth is, it could go either way. But tbh, Roglic's ITT has regressed this year. If he wants to win the Giro, he can't bet on the ITT, Almeida is also a danger. Roglic had issues on the 3rd week on Covatilla as well.
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