Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Peyroteo94]

If you don't think that was an opportunity in 2017, which was a perfect storm which I don't wanna repeat again, then I dare say you know nothing about cycling.

So you are calling me ignorant ("...know nothing about cycling) because I said Valverde didn't have a chance of getting 1st in the 2017 Tour? Right...

 

[Valv.Piti]

The plan was to go for the win with Rog: https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/s...dverlies-angliru-is-een-totaal-ander-verhaal/

Apparently that changed when Vinge asked the team over the radio if he could attack just before the steep part. Looks to me like Rog got screwed there because this isn't a matter of something decided on the team bus before the race.

Sure, but 1 min > potential sprint finish

 

[Valv.Piti]

So you are calling me ignorant ("...know nothing about cycling) because I said Valverde didn't have a chance of getting 1st in the 2017 Tour? Right...

Yes, I don't think you know very much about cycling at all and are even worse at analyzing it if you claim Valverde had no chance in 2017. That was a golden opportunity.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, I don't think you know very much about cycling at all and are even worse at analyzing it if you claim Valverde had no chance in 2017. That was a golden opportunity.

After Valverde was creamed on the climbs by Fuglsang in Dauphiné? LOL!

 

[Valv.Piti]

After Valverde was creamed on the climbs by Fuglsang in Dauphiné? LOL!

Valverde treated Dauphine as 110% training that year. You know that.

He basically smoked everyone in every race with ease in the spring, the route was easy and the field was 2008-esque with Porte and Thomas gone. Only had to beat a mediocre version of Froomey. Just look at the podium that year.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Is Netflix following Jumbo this year? I would love to be a fly in the bus (and at dinner). I wonder if Jumbo team management is saying one thing in team meetings, but telling Vinge something different in private?

Is there a financial reason Jumbo would want Vinge to win? (ie for the new sponsors?) ... Any chance they want to sabotage Sepp Kuss's chance so they don't have to match a salary offer from another team in the off season knowing that Sepp will never lead a GT for Jumbo again and they want him to remain on the team as a super-domestic but can't if his agent demands a higher salary due to Se[[ winning a GT?

Sepp only lost 3 seconds to any competitor not on Jumbo today. Kind of a bad look for Vinge and Jumbo having Vinge attack.

I knew last year that Primoz needed to leave the team if he ever wanted to be anything other than second fiddle. Is this Vinge's way of retribution against Primoz because he didn't come to the tour and domestic for Vinge? Now he is going to make sure Roglic doesn't win the Vuelta?

Lot's of intrigue. I looking forward to the book in 10 years that will describe what happened.

 

[Gargamel35]

Kuss confirmed the plan was to ride for Roglič today but when they were on the last hill, Jonas radioed that he will attack and did so. Showing some fine sportsmanship towards his best domestique in red jersey and a mentor (Rog). Thanks, but no thanks. No class. No nothing.

 

[Jagartrott]

Oh, look, some potential WAG drama:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701655998585278545

View: https://twitter.com/BenjiNaesen/status/1701655998585278545

 

[Peyroteo94]

Valverde treated Dauphine as 110% training that year. You know that.

He basically smoked everyone in every race with ease in the spring, the route was easy and the field was 2008-esque with Porte and Thomas gone. Only had to beat a mediocre version of Froomey. Just look at the podium that year.

Not worse than Peraud and Pinot who were able to beat Valverde in the Tour for the podium... but you can continue, each post from you is one more opportunity for a good laugh.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Kuss confirmed the plan was to ride for Roglič today but when they were on the last hill, Jonas radioed that he will attack and did so. Showing some fine sportsmanship towards his best domestique in red jersey and a mentor (Rog). Thanks, but no thanks. No class. No nothing.

That's a cutthroat and savvy move. No nice guy anymore, but on the other hand, he IS the strongest rider, so its very hard for me to criticize it when it increases the odds of a Jumbo-Visma win.

 

[Blanco]

We should get ready for the Jumbo Visma showdown, Roglic vs Vingegaard, already tomorrow. Poor Kuss won't what the hell is happening.

 

[Gargamel35]

That's a cutthroat and savvy move. No nice guy anymore, but on the other hand, he IS the strongest rider, so its very hard for me to criticize it when it increases the odds of a Jumbo-Visma win.

How do you know he's the strongest if both teamates are not allowed to race? They need to sit tight while Jonas attacks and gets easy time because no one else wants to follow and Kuss/Rog aren't allowed to. It's a *** move against your best domestique and second star of a team. Sammen winnen.... No, Jonas winnen, everyone else dom away.

 

[Blanco]

That's a cutthroat and savvy move. No nice guy anymore, but on the other hand, he IS the strongest rider, so its very hard for me to criticize it when it increases the odds of a Jumbo-Visma win.

That's a big if. We'll see tomorrow...

 

[Gargamel35]

We should get ready for the Jumbo Visma showdown, Roglic vs Vingegaard, already tomorrow. Poor Kuss won't what the hell is happening.

I'm putting my money on Kuss not to back down. He can ride Angliru on Jonas wheel no problem. But i think JV politics will force him to let Jonas go.

 

[Valv.Piti]

How do you know he's the strongest if both teamates are not allowed to race? They need to sit tight while Jonas attacks and gets easy time because no one else wants to follow and Kuss/Rog aren't allowed to. It's a *** move against your best domestique and second star of a team. Sammen winnen.... No, Jonas winnen, everyone else dom away.

Because I watch cycling and its been clear on Tourmalet and today that Jonas is stronger than both of them.

 

[Gargamel35]

Because I watch cycling and its been clear on Tourmalet and today that Jonas is stronger than both of them.

Maybe you should watch cartoons because two out of three riders were not allowed to race. But yeah feel free to watch cycling since no one else does it like you do.

 

[Rackham]

These guys are right (their response to Naesen):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701669564755386799

View: https://twitter.com/frank4_ever/status/1701669564755386799


I mean the spin from Jumbo's people is surreal. Vingegaard almost took the red jersey... yet some people are desperately portraying him as the "good teammate".

And saying "the strongest guy must win!" isn't a valid argument either because in this case the gap only grew so big because Kuss & Rog were tactically boxed in once no one chased Vinge.

Whether it was intentional or not, Vingegaard's attack was the perfect ambush.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Maybe you should watch cartoons because two out of three riders were not allowed to race. But yeah feel free to watch cycling since no one else does it like you do.

Roglic has been unable to drop Mas and Ayuso on both occasions, so Im not so sure of who's watching cartoons

 

[Rackham]

Roglic has been unable to drop Mas and Ayuso on both occasions, so Im not so sure of who's watching cartoons

Because they chased Rog. They didn't chase Vingegaard.

Fisher-Black, Poels & Storer chased Vingegaard... & they all finished ahead of the Ayuso-Mas-Rog-Kuss bunch.

Are they better climbers than Rog & Kuss? I guess Fisher-Black will drop Ayuso then tomorrow on the Angliru, i.e. based on such logic.

In reality as I've said a billion times now, the gap to Vingegaard grew because no one chased.

 

[ice&fire]

Can we have stage 20 be a replay of the same stage in 2021 with Jumbo riders playing Movistar?

 

[Gargamel35]

Roglic has been unable to drop Mas and Ayuso on both occasions, so Im not so sure of who's watching cartoons

Because no one chased Jonas but they did chase Roglič. Go back watching cartoons.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Because they chased Rog. They didn't chase Vingegaard.

Fisher-Black, Poels & Storer chased Vingegaard... & they all finished ahead of the Ayuso-Mas-Rog-Kuss bunch.

Are they better climbers than Rog & Kuss? I guess Fisher-Black will drop Ayuso then tomorrow on the Angliru, i.e. based on such logic.

In reality as I've said a billion times now, the gap to Vingegaard grew because no one chased.

Of course, the gap got a lot bigger than it needed to be due to some very weird tactics, but Rog not being able to do much on Tourmalet, sitting in the wheels and struggling tells me he wasn't great at all. Ayuso and Mas basically paced the whole second part of the climb.

Likewise, not being able to drop them today tells me that he ain't the Roglic of old. He would never have been closed down after the initial gap on such a climb. You know better than anyone than exactly this kind of climb is his bread and butter.

 

[Blanco]

I'm putting my money on Kuss not to back down. He can ride Angliru on Jonas wheel no problem. But i think JV politics will force him to let Jonas go.

If he's smart, he will ride all out tomorrow, he will never get a chance to win a GT anymore. If Vingegaard attacks, he should immediately jump on his wheel. He can drop Vinge on Angliru, just watch...

 

[kn0s]

So Attila is pulling and is about to be done. Now what? Jumbo no longer control the stage. They have 3 leaders so, they can't just pace the climb. Jonas feels good and attacks, now they are in control again. If he wins, good for the team. If they bring him back, Roglic has a sprint, good for the team. I assume the original plan of "anyone can attack if they can get separation" is still in effect. Roglic tries this, but is definitely not strong enough.

Now I understand being butt hurt your favorite didn't win. But how is a "potential" sprint victory better for the team than this?

Now the team has brought both Jonas and Roglic. The way Jonas rides doesn't hinder Rog too much if he is better than the competition, except missing like 4 bonus seconds in a stage like this. But the way Roglic wins the stage, kills the strengths of Jonas completely. Might as well not bring him.

 

[yaco]

At the end of the day, Jumbo can attack with any of there three riders and the contenders will sit up because they don't care who wins from Jumbo because it will not affect their GC place.