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[bNator]

Heard of a contract clause? Google it

No, never heard of it. Or Google…

Anyway, you have absolutely zero grounds to speculate this is actually the case here. As if Ineos will be just giving these clauses away to 22 year olds while having Pidcock in the team and aiming for a new top tier GC rider… just accept the fact that your opinion of Rodriguez being the leader in TDF in case Roglic comes to Ineos is as good as that of those who claim the contrary. In fact, it’s a bit ridiculous to make a huge buyout of a star GC rider just to find out you have some contract clause where he will only be able to carry bidons to your juniors…

 

[joseph89]

No, never heard of it. Or Google…

Anyway, you have absolutely zero grounds to speculate this is actually the case here. As if Ineos will be just giving these clauses away to 22 year olds while having Pidcock in the team and aiming for a new top tier GC rider… just accept the fact that your opinion of Rodriguez being the leader in TDF in case Roglic comes to Ineos is as good as that of those who claim the contrary. In fact, it’s a bit ridiculous to make a huge buyout of a star GC rider just to find out you have some contract clause where he will only be able to carry bidons to your juniors…

Rodriguez will be co Leader at the TDF! His extension was negotiated way before roglic came onto the market.

 

[svit]

Rodriguez will be co-leader at the TDF in name only.

If Roglic pulls the trigger and goes to Ineos, I think he will have the full team support.

 

[cellardoor]

Bahrain better start calling.. seems like a good slot in with Landa leaving.

Fred Wright to lead out Roglic. Let's go!

 

[Rackham]

Rodriguez will be co Leader at the TDF! His extension was negotiated way before roglic came onto the market.

Ineos were chasing Pog (& supposedly Evenepoel as well) at the same time as they were extending Rodriguez. I mean come on, they're a serious team, not amateurs.

They're not going to castrate their own chances by forcing unwanted situations on the team via contractual obligations. When has Ineos ever done that anyway? They even have Bernal doing dom duties. God knows what's in his contract (it was signed when he was a Giro champ & one of the top GC riders in the world).

 

[joseph89]

Rodriguez will be co-leader at the TDF in name only.

If Roglic pulls the trigger and goes to Ineos, I think he will have the full team support.

"Carlos Rodriguez has been convinced to extend his contract with the team, despite initially agreeing to leave for Movistar. Ineos persuaded the young Spaniard with talks over complete Grand Tour leadership in the coming years.

Roglič’s arrival would obviously have an affect on that stance but several sources have told GCN that Ineos Grenadiers are building up to a major announcement in October."

Primož Roglič on the transfer market with Ineos Grenadiers and Lidl-Trek leading the chase

Movistar and Bahrain Victorious also in the mix as Slovenian moves closer to an exit from Jumbo-Visma

www.globalcyclingnetwork.com

 

[joseph89]

What's the issue with roglic being co-leader?

 

[Rackham]

What's the issue with roglic being co-leader?

Because once Roglič is a couple of minutes ahead of Rodriguez in GC (especially in an ITT heavy TdF, which is what is rumored right now), then it doesn't matter what GCN said in September of the previous year.

There is technically no issue, other than the weird angle you've picked here to somehow paint the prospective Ineos situation as similar to Jumbo (i.e. Rog consigned to co-leadership in GT's).

It would be co-leadership in name only. If Rog keeps his level, he's leader. If Ineos invest in Rog, he's going to be priority number one. That's just the way it is.

 

[acm]

Rodriguez can be co-leader, but after stage 2 and San Luca climb there will be only one leader.

 

[joseph89]

Roglic & Rodriguez will be co leaders at the TDF if he moves to ineos.

The road will decide as always but technically they will start as co-leaders. Which was my initial point.

That doesn't seem likely to me, at least not right away. Rodriguez is going to need to win or at least podium a GT before they give him equal footing with Roglic. I suppose they could say it's 1A and 1B, but Roglic will be the defacto leader.

If Ineos is high on Rodriguez (which they should be), I would think they will let him prove his potential at the Giro or Vuelta first as the leader.

My weird angle was in response to this.

Now lets hope remco doesn't go to ineos, then he'll definitely be in a similar situation to jumbo

 

[Winnen]

Ineos denies this rumour about Roglic joining them in a Dutch newspaper, he already signed somewhere else..... They think Trek is his next destination.

 

[Rackham]

Ineos denies this rumour about Roglic joining them in a Dutch newspaper, he already signed somewhere else..... They think Trek is his next destination.

We will see.

Whatever his destination is it's got to be more exciting than riding around with Jonas Vingegaard doing whatever he wants whilst Rog follows team orders.

Staying at Jumbo was a dead-end, everyone could see this. Even before the merger talks.

 

[cellardoor]

The road will decide as always.

One word: Vuelta.

 

[ManicJack]

Ineos denies this rumour about Roglic joining them in a Dutch newspaper, he already signed somewhere else..... They think Trek is his next destination.

I would love to see him go to Trek just to enhance the quality of GT racing. They have built a really solid team that could be a factor if they had a legit GC contender in their ranks.

 

[red_flanders]

One word: Vuelta.

My thoughts exactly. The road always should decide, but…

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Rodriguez can be co-leader, but after stage 2 and San Luca climb there will be only one leader.

Yes. And his name will be Egan Bernal.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Tao Geoghegan Hart has a good sprint and excellent team. I guess he's not the smartest guy around, then... Right?

Hart was also MIA since his Giro win till this year and was looking very strong. So we will have to come back next year if he keeps improving.

 

[zlev11]

i hope it's Movistar

 

[theyoungest]

I would love to see him go to Trek just to enhance the quality of GT racing. They have built a really solid team that could be a factor if they had a legit GC contender in their ranks.

Trek will be the next dominant factor in GT racing, certainly if they get Roglic now. I think the Jumbo merger is too panicked and too shortsighted to really offer any perspective for the future. This leaves room for another team to take over.

Everyone has already been saying that these eras of dominance never last, but just 2 weeks after their most dominant performance is a little faster than everyone expected, I think

 

[Rackham]

i hope it's Movistar

Officieel: Primoz Roglic rijdt vanaf volgend seizoen voor Bora-hansgrohe

Zijn vroegtijdige vertrek bij Jumbo-Visma was al bekend, nu ligt ook zijn nieuwe bestemming officieel vast. Primoz Roglic (33) koerst vanaf volgend seizoen voor Bora-hansgrohe, zo bevestigde CEO Ralph Denk vandaag. Bij de Duitse formatie wil de Sloveen als enige kopman een gooi doen naar Tourwinst.

www.hln.be

These guys say it's Movistar. Meanwhile another news site is saying Movistar can't afford him.

The contradictory reports are quite entertaining. Although the one common denominator is he's leaving Jumbo (which soon won't exist anymore anyway, at least not in the same form as it was).

 

[joseph89]

Ineos denies this rumour about Roglic joining them in a Dutch newspaper, he already signed somewhere else..... They think Trek is his next destination.

I guess no-one told roglic G was just taking the piss

 

[SHAD0W93]

Depending on the team he goes to I see these outcomes; goes to Ineos and finishes third, Trek winning it by dominating the others with Pog and Vinge crashing out, or Bahrain he beats the crap out of Pog and Vinge. Movistar or EF would be a huge pickup for those teams.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Jonas Vingegaard: "I will go with you"

One additional leader is still manageable. 20 leaders in 8 team roster. That is too much.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Great post because people actually forgot that very quickly. Roglic was the sole destroyer of SKY/INEOS long dominance, not JBV.

They did it together. Now they i guess win too much and as a result feel they don't really need Rogla any more. Slightly blinded by success? So they i guess will let the destroyer of some sole team dominance go. As sure, what could go wrong. They have Jonas, Sepp and potentially Remco. They got it covered.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Who cares. It seems he's going out and that's what matters.

The narrative is shifting and dragging the momentum away from Jumbo. They can be dominant, but they will loose charisma. They will now be seen as the embodiment of big bucks that corrupt the sport and Roglic and Pogi the noble stoic soldiers that can fight it.