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At Tour 2024 it could happen for Rogla to be in better position in regards the team support again. That is team will set up Jonas to launch, Pogi will need to chase, here Rogla should have a green light to bridge together with Pogi. Or something like that. If not Pogi likely somebody else will at least try. Maybe Sepp. We'll see.
 
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Yeah, at Tour 2024, when JV upper management will come to the room with a wonderful idea. Primož, can we do 1 and 2 on Pogi. Primož should reply i can't i am too old for that and i crash a lot. Rather use the Joker for that. To basically launch Jonas. After Pogi can take over and to pull for Rogla, Just as Rogla did for Pogi at Tour 20.

As lets face it, if Pogi won't be able to win, he would rather see Rogla to win, then for Jonas to take the third. Remco doing Giro-Vuelta anyway.
 
At Tour 2024 it could happen for Rogla to be in better position in regards the team support again. That is team will set up Jonas to launch, Pogi will need to chase, here Rogla should have a green light to bridge together with Pogi. Or something like that. If not Pogi likely somebody else will at least try. Maybe Sepp. We'll see.
Roglic should get the full team support if he’s in the yellow jersey. That’s what he needed to have happen this Vuelta but Kuss getting the lead and not cracking ruined it for him. With a minute on Vinge the team is working for him.

There's plenty smart riders with a good sprint and a good team.
Roglic is winning mainly because of his strength.
Very rarely does another rider have all three for multiple races over many years. Imagine if Valverde had Jumbo at his disposal.
 
Roglic won Dauphine 2022 by 1:41 ahead of first non Jumbo rider, Ben O' Connor in third. That's dominating.

In P-N 2022 Simon Yates was a tough nut to crack. Still, he was half a minute behind. Martinez in third was more than 2 minutes behind, Adam Yates in 4th was 3:30 begind, Almeida in 8th was almost 6 minutes behind...almost unheard of in a race such as P-N. That's dominating.

Vuelta 2021, he wins by almost 5minutes ahead of Mas. Bernal, a Tour and Giro winner at the time, was in 6th place more than 13 minutes behind. That's dominating.

Itzulia in the same year. Best non Jumbo rider is Pogačar in third, over a minute behind. Rogla with a dominant performance in the last stage.

Paris Nice 2021. He was in the lead by a minute before the last stage, with three stage wins in the process. Only a disaster in the last stage prevented him from a dominant overall victory.

I'll leave the 2020 season out of it. Just wanted to say that in my opinion, it would have been the most dominant season from Rogla in his career if not for the Dauphine crash. He was flying before that crash.

2019 Vuelta maybe wasn't that dominant, but still...he was 3 minutes ahead of 2nd place before the crash on stage 19 and won by 2:30 over Valverde. Also his first GT win.

Romandie 2019: dominates with 3 stage wins and a dominant performance in the ITT ahead of heavyweights like Ganna, Kung, Campenaerts, Tony Martin.

Romandie 2018, him and Bernal were toying with everybody else on the climbs. It was almost Pogačar vs Vingegaard or Contador vs Schleck like.

Itzulia 2018. Maybe the most underrated stage race from Rogla. He was dominating the race. Before the last stage he was 2 minutes ahead of Landa in 2nd. Gap almost unheard of in the Basque stage race. You usually had riders devided by seconds at the top. Everybody is salivating about Vingegaards win in this year's edition which he won by over a minute, same as Rogla in 2018. Yet Rogla's victory margin became reduced in the last stage only because a pretty serious crash. He than survived the last climb, even though without teammates and still managed to keep the gap at 1:09 to Landa, who wasn't a meme rider back then, but a serious racer, seen as a mythical climber by many at the time.

Here you have it. Dominating stage races since 2018.
 
Roglic won Dauphine 2022 by 1:41 ahead of first non Jumbo rider, Ben O' Connor in third. That's dominating.

In P-N 2022 Simon Yates was a tough nut to crack. Still, he was half a minute behind. Martinez in third was more than 2 minutes behind, Adam Yates in 4th was 3:30 begind, Almeida in 8th was almost 6 minutes behind...almost unheard of in a race such as P-N. That's dominating.

Vuelta 2021, he wins by almost 5minutes ahead of Mas. Bernal, a Tour and Giro winner at the time, was in 6th place more than 13 minutes behind. That's dominating.

Itzulia in the same year. Best non Jumbo rider is Pogačar in third, over a minute behind. Rogla with a dominant performance in the last stage.

Paris Nice 2021. He was in the lead by a minute before the last stage, with three stage wins in the process. Only a disaster in the last stage prevented him from a dominant overall victory.

I'll leave the 2020 season out of it. Just wanted to say that in my opinion, it would have been the most dominant season from Rogla in his career if not for the Dauphine crash. He was flying before that crash.

2019 Vuelta maybe wasn't that dominant, but still...he was 3 minutes ahead of 2nd place before the crash on stage 19 and won by 2:30 over Valverde. Also his first GT win.

Romandie 2019: dominates with 3 stage wins and a dominant performance in the ITT ahead of heavyweights like Ganna, Kung, Campenaerts, Tony Martin.

Romandie 2018, him and Bernal were toying with everybody else on the climbs. It was almost Pogačar vs Vingegaard or Contador vs Schleck like.

Itzulia 2018. Maybe the most underrated stage race from Rogla. He was dominating the race. Before the last stage he was 2 minutes ahead of Landa in 2nd. Gap almost unheard of in the Basque stage race. You usually had riders devided by seconds at the top. Everybody is salivating about Vingegaards win in this year's edition which he won by over a minute, same as Rogla in 2018. Yet Rogla's victory margin became reduced in the last stage only because a pretty serious crash. He than survived the last climb, even though without teammates and still managed to keep the gap at 1:09 to Landa, who wasn't a meme rider back then, but a serious racer, seen as a mythical climber by many at the time.

Here you have it. Dominating stage races since 2018.
Now look at Pog and Vinge time over the rest of the top 10 and not just second. Crazy how the fans ridicule and make fun of Simon, Valverde, Mas, Bernal in 2021, Landa (some fans), and Almeida when in regards to other riders beating them but they transform to world class when Roglic beats them.

Hopefully we find out next year and we see which side is disappointed.
 
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Roglic should get the full team support if he’s in the yellow jersey. That’s what he needed to have happen this Vuelta but Kuss getting the lead and not cracking ruined it for him. With a minute on Vinge the team is working for him.


Very rarely does another rider have all three for multiple races over many years. Imagine if Valverde had Jumbo at his disposal.
Tao Geoghegan Hart has a good sprint and excellent team. I guess he's not the smartest guy around, then... Right?
 
Kerckhoffs has really put a lot of stock in his merger theory, it almost feels like he's willing it to happen. Also the idea that Ineos want "either Roglic or Evenepoel"... that's quite sad really. If you're Roglic you have to feel like you're second choice.

Maybe a buyout clause will offer Plugge the necessary millions to fill the gap in his budget that Gorillaz left :)
 
WF reporting Ineos are negotiating buying Roglic out of his contract.

I hope for him he gets a big fat bag cause its not gonna help him win the Tour

It's not about the winning, it's about competing. Those were his words on Sunday.

So bring it on. If he wanted money he'd go a an oil backed team or the Israelis who're super generous.

Going to Ineos will be worth it just for the G Thomas reaction on his watts occurring podcast. FYI I thought there was something going on there when Luke Rowe said nice things about Rog during the Vuelta drama.
 
It's not about the winning, it's about competing. Those were his words on Sunday.

So bring it on. If he wanted money he'd go a an oil backed team or the Israelis who're super generous.

Going to Ineos will be worth it just for the G Thomas reaction on his watts occurring podcast. FYI I thought there was something going on there when Luke Rowe said nice things about Rog during the Vuelta drama.
I think it's been known for quite some time that these guys like Roglic, they of course also often see each other on training rides around Monaco.
 
Roglic should get the full team support if he’s in the yellow jersey.

In GT racing the strongest is revealed at the finish line of a GT. It makes no sense for Rogla to take leaders jersey early. So i partially agree with you here, that no special support is to be expected for Rogla, by JV, at the Tour 2024. He will need to beat JV too. Here hopefully other strong riders will be involved, for us to actually see, on who the strongest of them all is. So at Tour 2024 i agree that Rogla will be dependant on the help of other teams. That is other riders, outside JV, trying to prove, who the strongest is.

Hopefully we find out next year and we see which side is disappointed.

For sure. The same rule applied, for years now already.

Now look at Pog and Vinge time over the rest of the top 10 and not just second.

Obviously, if Rogla is not there, the rest not really all that interested, to chase a wild goose. Rather opting in defending or trying to get on third podium position. The gap is hence expected to be bigger.
 
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WF reporting Ineos are negotiating buying Roglic out of his contract.

I hope for him he gets a big fat bag cause its not gonna help him win the Tour

Ineos can't go on like this for long any more, so i do imagine they will succeed with signing one of the top riders soonish. If it will be Rogla, then i agree it will be hard, for both Rogla and Ineos, to turn things around, for them, still i am not that pessimistic. For Rogla to turn Ineos around and for Ineos to start winning GT's again, such as the Tour. As it was Rogla in the end, who knocked them out of the saddle. It would be rather special if Rogla would get them right back in the saddle again. We'll see.
 
All of these articles are just Google translated versions of the Wielerflits one. Still the only source to report this.

first time I click on this thread. a fan as soon as he leaves Jumbo
Wow, the hate runs deep. You weren't even a fan of Roglic when Jumbo weren't all that great?
 
Ineos can't go on like this for long any more, so i do imagine they will succeed with signing one of the top riders soonish. If it will be Rogla, then i agree it will be hard, for both Rogla and Ineos, to turn things around, for them, still i am not that pessimistic. For Rogla to turn Ineos around and for Ineos to start winning GT's again, such as the Tour. As it was Rogla in the end, who knocked them out of the saddle. It would be rather special if Rogla would get them right back in the saddle again. We'll see.
Wasn't it pogacar who ended their TdF reign in 2020?
 
Hypothetically the ideal scenarios:

Rogla stays at JV and wins the Tour 2024. Going there as a team leader and with good team support.

Rogla goes to Ineos and Ineos to go full train and to win Tour 2024 with Rogla.

Hypothetically the likely scenarios:

Rogla stays at JV and the situation with dog eat dog working environment to continue. Here to hope he will eventually be the one that came on top.

Rogla goes to Ineos and struggles a bit with the transition. In the end both the team and Rogla to sort that out and for Rogla being able to go all in with a proper team support. In such case i am optimistic wins will come again.

Hypothetically the bad scenario:

For now here i see only one possibility, for Rogla to say i am retiring. All other options are in my opinion and at this point more optimistic.
 
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