Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[CyclistAbi]

Do u live next to cyclistabi??? Do they ever leave the house???

To be honest staying home all day to post in Roglic thread is a nice safe lifestyle, I just fell over a bollard walking back to my hotel in lizboaaaa

It's a good idea to keep your house in order, sometimes indeed we forget that. Still it's boat we are talking about here. We are all on the same boat so fire it away captain! Into the lap 6. It's Worlds after all!

 

[CyclistAbi]

30%

Yeah, not much to argue there. Considering Sepp was at 45%. Roughly.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Sepp, Jonas and Remco all underprepared, Rogla as usual being at 100%. And JV made Rogla sit back, while all this underprepared participants got a fair shot.

Aargh.

 

[Berniece]

So Sepp, Jonas and Remco all underprepared, Rogla as usual being at 100%. And JV made Rogla sit back, while all this underprepared participants got a fair shot.

Aargh.

I do think that if Roglic and Vingegaard were on different teams, Roglic could've won the Vuelta. Mostly in the first week, during stage 6, he could've probably distanced Vingegaard who was ill then. But since both of them were riding for the same team, together, he didn't attack.

 

[Blanco]

I do think that if Roglic and Vingegaard were on different teams, Roglic could've won the Vuelta. Mostly in the first week, during stage 6, he could've probably distanced Vingegaard who was ill then. But since both of them were riding for the same team, together, he didn't attack.

At last an objective post
Yep, he would've won, and quite comfortably I would say. He could've drop him at stage 6, he gained in the ITT, and he would've gain couple of seconds and bonuses many times if they were competing. On the other hand, he would not lost a single second to Vingegaard. Not on the Tourmalet, and certainly not on Bejes.

Edit: And I agree, Rogla was at his peak, and Vingegaard not quite there.

 

[theyoungest]

It takes one to recognize the other.

On a more serious note, it's very dumb to play any percentage games about riders. They are not robots. They have good/bad days, they come to races in different emotional and physical states. There are so many variables that couch fans have no chance knowing which % a rider is and how long can he sustain it.

For me Jonas looked really good. Roglič looked really good. They were very close to each other in terms of performance and it's a shame they weren't allowed to compete (against each other and against Kuss).

It's a luxury to watch that many riders in such good forms go against each other. Most times it doesn't happen.

Maybe to you Jonas looked good, but according to himself he wasn't great the first half of the Vuelta. He wasn't 100% fit. This was quite obvious as well, he was doing okay but if he had brought this form to the Tour he would have been destroyed in the first week. Luckily it was "just" the Vuelta and Pogacar wasn't there.

It's not unthinkable that Roglic could have dropped Vingegaard either, but it's also not completely in his nature to do a long range attack like Vingo did on Tourmalet. And Roglic definitely didn't look great on that day. Just like for Evenepoel, a long stage over multiple long climbs is not to his advantage. He's a lot better at limiting the damage though.

 

[Cassirer]

At last an objective post
Yep, he would've won, and quite comfortably I would say.

Aaaand there goes the objectivity

 

[Berniece]

At last an objective post
Yep, he would've won, and quite comfortably I would say. He could've drop him at stage 6, he gained in the ITT, and he would've gain couple of seconds and bonuses many times if they were competing. On the other hand, he would not lost a single second to Vingegaard. Not on the Tourmalet, and certainly not on Bejes.

Edit: And I agree, Rogla was at his peak, and Vingegaard not quite there.

I'm going to change my opinion based on the topic title from now on to seem objective

I'm not sure if he wouldn't have lost time anywhere to Vingegaard, because Vingegaard seemed quite strong the last week, but he wouldn't have been able to overcome that gap that might have been created in the first week if Roglic could've gone all out.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Luckily it was "just" the Vuelta and Pogacar wasn't there.

Kuss was, though.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As i am leaving my house for a short time, a question, what do other participants expect out of lap 6?

 

[Elos Anjos]

You make about 5 of these kind of posts everyday

What is the Masnada thread all about?

 

[CyclistAbi]

What is the Masnada thread all about?

It's OK. I like Masnada too.

 

[Gargamel35]

Maybe to you Jonas looked good, but according to himself he wasn't great the first half of the Vuelta. He wasn't 100% fit. This was quite obvious as well, he was doing okay but if he had brought this form to the Tour he would have been destroyed in the first week. Luckily it was "just" the Vuelta and Pogacar wasn't there.

It's not unthinkable that Roglic could have dropped Vingegaard either, but it's also not completely in his nature to do a long range attack like Vingo did on Tourmalet. And Roglic definitely didn't look great on that day. Just like for Evenepoel, a long stage over multiple long climbs is not to his advantage. He's a lot better at limiting the damage though.

Jonas was sick in the first week of Vuelta. He came prepared and looked good, just sickness got him down for awhile. Similar to Roglič, when he was sick during his first real Giro or when he crashes (affects are worse and longer). That's why i want to see fully prepared and healthy guys in Tour.

 

[Froome]

@Froome

Jonas got a green light to crack Sepp and he couldn't. At that point Rogla was not allowed to compete. Had to wait to see if Jonas can do it first. So if Jonas was not at 100% imagine Sepp. He was like 45% by now.

What the **** are you talking about @CyclistAbi ?😂

 

[Rackham]

What the **** are you talking about @CyclistAbi ?😂

Stage 16 of the Vuelta, Bejes.

The team car gave Vingegaard the green light to attack when he asked at the foot of the final climb. The pre-stage plan was to go for the win with Rog.

This was according to Kuss after the stage.

 

[theyoungest]

Jonas was sick in the first week of Vuelta. He came prepared and looked good, just sickness got him down for awhile. Similar to Roglič, when he was sick during his first real Giro or when he crashes (affects are worse and longer). That's why i want to see fully prepared and healthy guys in Tour.

Well yeah, but the sickness affected him in the first half, so that's not really representative of what he can do vs. Roglic. He never reached the level he did in the Tour, even when he was back to full fitness again.

I think Roglic will be better this year than he was last year, certainly in the Giro he actually wasn't that good and if Ineos had played it a little more smartly Roglic wouldn't have won that race. In the Vuelta he probably approached his best form. I think he'll need a few percent more if he really wants to challenge Vingegaard and Pogi in the Tour. Realistically that will be difficult at 34, but we can hope.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Rackham

And not just that stage. But i get it. Jonas just wanted to dedicate everything to everybody.

 

[CyclistAbi]

What the **** are you talking about @CyclistAbi ?😂

C'mon Froome, at least first watch the race you argue vigorously about.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like lap 6 was rather short lived. We are kinda stretching it guys. Mods can you lock the thread for us to cool down.

Thanks.

 

[Froome]

C'mon Froome, at least first watch the race you argue vigorously about.

You said vingegaard couldn't crack kuss, that doesn't even make sense.

 

[scribers]

sepp runs at 93% about 66% of the time. 55% of us can agree on this.

 

[Gargamel35]

Well yeah, but the sickness affected him in the first half, so that's not really representative of what he can do vs. Roglic. He never reached the level he did in the Tour, even when he was back to full fitness again.

I think Roglic will be better this year than he was last year, certainly in the Giro he actually wasn't that good and if Ineos had played it a little more smartly Roglic wouldn't have won that race. In the Vuelta he probably approached his best form. I think he'll need a few percent more if he really wants to challenge Vingegaard and Pogi in the Tour. Realistically that will be difficult at 34, but we can hope.

Roglič looked totally fine and in control in Giro until his crash that retired two other riders involved in it. Roglič crashed hard and they said the effects were not marginal during whole Giro. So again, Roglič was ready but crash set him back a lot.

 

[Froome]

Roglič looked totally fine and in control in Giro until his crash that retired two other riders involved in it. Roglič crashed hard and they said the effects were not marginal during whole Giro. So again, Roglič was ready but crash set him back a lot.

He was in control after Remco DNF. Even with covid, Remco beat him in the two TTs, the last one with covid. Roglic crashed on stage 11, he wasn't in control until Remco DNF.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Maybe to you Jonas looked good, but according to himself he wasn't great the first half of the Vuelta. He wasn't 100% fit. This was quite obvious as well, he was doing okay but if he had brought this form to the Tour he would have been destroyed in the first week. Luckily it was "just" the Vuelta and Pogacar wasn't there.

It's not unthinkable that Roglic could have dropped Vingegaard either, but it's also not completely in his nature to do a long range attack like Vingo did on Tourmalet. And Roglic definitely didn't look great on that day. Just like for Evenepoel, a long stage over multiple long climbs is not to his advantage. He's a lot better at limiting the damage though.

I agree Roglic does not ride like Vingegaard. How do you factor in something like Angliru, where he attacked from a few kms out? He didn’t drop Vingegaard, but he left everyone else behind.

 

[Gargamel35]

He was in control after Remco DNF. Even with covid, Remco beat him in the two TTs, the last one with covid. Roglic crashed on stage 11, he wasn't in control until Remco DNF.

It was expected Remco would beat Roglič in TT. It was even a surprise by how little Remco managed to beat him. Later in mountains Remco would drop anyway. So Roglič was totally fine. After crash, he looked bad and he could lose a lot more time if others would attack him more and if there wouldn't be Kuss, to make a save. He barely managed to fight back until last TT where he made history.