Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Red Rick]

I would say he was badly placed because he didn't had the legs. Already at the first San Lucca Jungels placed him inside the first 10 riders then when Pogi did go for the bidon and the other big guns reacted Roglic was nowhere. Without the team support and the group getting there act together on the flat he would have lost many more seconds . So all in all not a bad result if you take into account how bad he was on the climb.

It's not looking good but until Tuesday we don't know how bad it actually is. Winning was always a long shot against Pogi and Vinge in top form. We will know more then if he can fight for the podium/Top 5.

Pretty much.

I had been hoping he might best of the rest, which would mean racing for 3rd here with Vingegaard seemingly back in shape. Looks like it won't be the case.

 

[benzwire]

This is a stage the Rogla should have been right there with those guys. He has previously owned this climb. I agree that the real truth will come out on Tuesday (Stage 4), hopefully he'll be on a better day because I think that he should improve as the Tour goes on, but I hope he doesn't get shelled so early in this race.

 

[Rackham]

All this doom & gloom, i.e. is this a funeral already?

I'm just looking forwards to tomorrow's stage. I think he'll match the best there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

All this doom & gloom, i.e. is this a funeral already?

I'm just looking forwards to tomorrow's stage. I think he'll match the best there.

Rogla vs Jacobsen vs Philipsen should be a funny sprint!

 

[Red Rick]

All this doom & gloom, i.e. is this a funeral already?

I'm just looking forwards to tomorrow's stage. I think he'll match the best there.

Only reason I'm delaying writing his eulogy is I'm occupied with writing the Andy Murray one

 

[QueenStagiaire]

All this doom & gloom, i.e. is this a funeral already?

I'm just looking forwards to tomorrow's stage. I think he'll match the best there.

Watch out man, he‘s not always had fun before the Stage 3 sprint.

 

[Gargamel35]

Bad legs. He said it himself. Not looking good but hey, it's not over yet.

 

[Oldermanish]

Pretty much.

I had been hoping he might best of the rest, which would mean racing for 3rd here with Vingegaard seemingly back in shape. Looks like it won't be the case.

It's waaaaay early to judge the form of anyone except Pogacar, who looks superb. Roglic was definitely not attentive when it counted for whatever reason. I don't think he was saving anything; just not snappy enough to get through that climbing chaos when the inevitable Tadej jump occurred.
Kudos to the French for making a race the last two days!

 

[benzwire]

Bad legs. He said it himself. Not looking good but hey, it's not over yet.

I believe he'll get better as the race goes on. I don't think Remco will hang in the high mountains, and hopefully Rogla will be better. I still think he is ok for now. It's easy to write things off, but this is a very long race. Anything can happen.

 

[Rackham]

Only reason I'm delaying writing his eulogy is I'm occupied with writing the Andy Murray one

I'm not going to dive into his positioning analysis or whatnot (a recurring problem with Rogla), i.e. I'll simply tell myself he had sh*t legs in the first ITT of the Giro last year as well.

Granted the opposition is of an entirely different calibre (& to make matters worse San Luca is his climb), but at this point the question is really just "can Rog have a decent TdF with a respectable finish or will he explode entirely?".

Call it copium or hopium or whatever but I still believe he can do some positive things here. But yeah, today was a very bad early sign.

 

[Salvarani]

Shocked by that performance. This was his climb.

 

[Peyroteo94]

2017 Contador all over again. He is washed.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

It was smart of Roglič to stay with his teammates as to not be forced into long range defense which he is saving for the third week.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

All this doom & gloom, i.e. is this a funeral already?

I'm just looking forwards to tomorrow's stage. I think he'll match the best there.

Do you mean he is going to do a vuelta 22 now that he can’t win and take out some sprinters?

 

[MLKarlos]

Rogla was badly placed at the bottom of the mountain & with no teammates to support him.....
Not good

What do you mean with no teammates? Vlasov and Hindley were both with him…he didn’t have the legs … plain and simple

 

[Froome]

What do you mean with no teammates? Vlasov and Hindley were both with him…he didn’t have the legs … plain and simple

Besides that, on that gradients, teammates are not helpful.

 

[Miha81]

What do you mean with no teammates? Vlasov and Hindley were both with him…he didn’t have the legs … plain and simple

He also confirmed in an interview that he did not have legs today. If he had he could also follow Remco as Carapaz did but probably did not have anything left to give.

 

[Rackham]

Haters will hate (& people have an annoying habit of drawing absolute conclusions about the final GC after a couple of stages, although that's evidently not exclusive to Rog's situation either), yet for the sake of argument & some perspective it's probably important to note a couple of things:

Firstly Rog now starts everything slow. Be it GT's (like last year's Giro or Vuelta) or ITT (he usually rides a faster second & third time check after shipping a bucket load of time in the first part). He also often surprises people negatively by not performing where they expect him to (like doing nothing in a so-called punchy climb which suits him on paper). San Luca today wasn't the first time that's happened.

Secondly he looks very, very thin. He didn't seem particularly bothered after the stage either. Make of that what you will (he's a chill guy in any case so there's probably not much to read into his mindset there).

Onwards & hopefully upwards.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Onwards & hopefully upwards.

Definitely upwards, 2642 m on Tuesday.

 

[Rackham]

Definitely upwards, 2642 m on Tuesday.

I mean if he looks relaxed, I guess I should be as well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807445357946716550

View: https://x.com/RBH_ProCycling/status/1807445357946716550


I reiterate he looks super thin though. Maybe it's the lighting & angle but this is probably the leanest I've seen him.

 

[zlev11]

I mean if he looks relaxed, I guess I should be as well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807445357946716550

View: https://x.com/RBH_ProCycling/status/1807445357946716550


I reiterate he looks super thin though. Maybe it's the lighting & angle but this is probably the leanest I've seen him.

yeah he does. maybe he will surprise us in the high mountains.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Roglic is just saving energy for the Vuelta


Stage 4 and 7 will give us more of a look at how he’s doing.

 

[Rackham]

yeah he does. maybe he will surprise us in the high mountains.

Today was like a one day classic.

It sounds like copium to some people but seriously having followed this rider for so long, I can say with some real confidence he's quite enigmatic with regards to how he does well in some stages/races versus how he gets completely dropped in others.

Maybe Tuesday will show the real truth but it's worth noting everyone keeps on saying he should win Lombardia, but guess what? He gets dropped every time - even when he's shown he has decent enough legs 3 days prior.

It's just the Rogla way. In the end it was 21 seconds. That's little compared to the narrative which exploded at the end of the stage.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its not really about the timeloss, but rather him looking so relatively bad on such a climb. He was worse than 21 seconds at the top.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

It’s also that he likely can’t afford to give up *any* time unexpectedly or on terrain that shouldn’t result in losses. This was a huge blow IMO