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Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

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Haters will hate (& people have an annoying habit of drawing absolute conclusions about the final GC after a couple of stages, although that's evidently not exclusive to Rog's situation either), yet for the sake of argument & some perspective it's probably important to note a couple of things:

Firstly Rog now starts everything slow. Be it GT's (like last year's Giro or Vuelta) or ITT (he usually rides a faster second & third time check after shipping a bucket load of time in the first part). He also often surprises people negatively by not performing where they expect him to (like doing nothing in a so-called punchy climb which suits him on paper). San Luca today wasn't the first time that's happened.

Secondly he looks very, very thin. He didn't seem particularly bothered after the stage either. Make of that what you will (he's a chill guy in any case so there's probably not much to read into his mindset there).

Onwards & hopefully upwards.
 
yeah he does. maybe he will surprise us in the high mountains.

Today was like a one day classic.

It sounds like copium to some people but seriously having followed this rider for so long, I can say with some real confidence he's quite enigmatic with regards to how he does well in some stages/races versus how he gets completely dropped in others.

Maybe Tuesday will show the real truth but it's worth noting everyone keeps on saying he should win Lombardia, but guess what? He gets dropped every time - even when he's shown he has decent enough legs 3 days prior.

It's just the Rogla way. In the end it was 21 seconds. That's little compared to the narrative which exploded at the end of the stage.
 
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If they don't now why he had a bad day they only can hope that he will get better... Perhaps there is a reason behind it. The only positiv thing for Roglic is that this stage has nothing to do with the high mountain stages where he could be better if they changed something at training.
 
Its not really about the timeloss, but rather him looking so relatively bad on such a climb. He was worse than 21 seconds at the top.

And that's a pretty pointless conversation to have because we'll find out soon enough.

I touched on this issue in a previous post, i.e. drawing absolute conclusions after a couple of stages. People can write whatever they want & make the predictions they want but at the end of the day, we'll see on the road what the real truth is.

Until then & until it gets worse, it's just 21 seconds.
 
And that's a pretty pointless conversation to have because we'll find out soon enough.

I touched on this issue in a previous post, i.e. drawing absolute conclusions after a couple of stages. People can write whatever they want & make the predictions they want but at the end of the day, we'll see on the road what the real truth is.

Until then & until it gets worse, it's just 21 seconds.
I guess we can stop talking about the race completely then. What a bunch of nonsense - of course people are gonna speculate and analyze (you including, when it fits your agenda..) based on what we have seen and what then might happen based on what we have seen. Thats only normal - especially on a cycling forum.
 
I guess we can stop talking about the race completely then. What a bunch of nonsense - of course people are gonna speculate and analyze (you including, when it fits your agenda..) based on what we have seen and what then might happen based on what we have seen. Thats only normal - especially on a cycling forum.
I'm not sure that's what Rackham meant. Just that it's early to draw such definitive conclusions as saying he definitely won't make it to the podium or even inside the top 5 or whatever. It don't look good, that's for sure, but it's also just stage 2.

Personally I would be glad if he could just finish the race without too many mishaps and heck even win a stage. But being a fan of this guy is also about accepting that there is no going upwards without first taking a nosedive into the depths of cycling hell.
 
I guess we can stop talking about the race completely then. What a bunch of nonsense - of course people are gonna speculate and analyze (you including, when it fits your agenda..) based on what we have seen and what then might happen based on what we have seen. Thats only normal - especially on a cycling forum.

This isn't exactly an accurate portrayal of cycling conversations - mine included.

The conversation about today's stage ends tomorrow & will be completely forgotten on Tuesday. The truth is we've been here before many times. On Bejes in the Vuelta last year the 'narrative' in the ensuing hours was about how Rog wasn't even as good as Ayuso & Mas on a climb which 'suited him'. Guess what? 24 later he won on the Angliru.

Rog is simply a very difficult rider categorise. They call him a puncheur yet he doesn't win classics on punchy terrain (except San Luca, ironically). They say he can't manage long climbs yet wins on the Angliru & was second best on Loze 4 years ago. Etc etc. This works in reverse as well i.e. everyone said LPDBF was going to be a cakewalk & guess what? He exploded.

I mean jumping into the conversation with a "he should be good in stage 2 so this means he's doomed" opinion is pretty much trivial. You haven't got any idea how this race is going to go, i.e. for anyone (except Pog because even with the Giro in his legs he should be his usual self in this Tour).

Anyone who says right here & right now "this is how the race will end" is simply fantasizing. It would be the same if Rog had done well today & people had jumped to conclusions about that afterwards. It cuts both ways.
 
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This isn't exactly an accurate portrayal of cycling conversations - mine included.

The conversation about today's stage ends tomorrow & will be completely forgotten on Tuesday. The truth is we've been here before many times. On Bejes in the Vuelta last year the 'narrative' in the ensuing hours was about how Rog wasn't even as good as Ayuso & Mas on a climb which 'suited him'. Guess what? 24 later he won on the Angliru.

Rog is simply a very difficult rider categorise. They call him a puncheur yet he doesn't win classics on punchy terrain (except San Luca, ironically). They say he can't manage long climbs yet wins on the Angliru & was second best on Loze 4 years ago. Etc etc. This works in reverse as well i.e. everyone said LPDBF was going to be a cakewalk & guess what? He exploded.

I mean jumping into the conversation with a "he should be good in stage 2 so this means he's doomed" opinion is pretty much trivial. You haven't got any idea how this race is going to go, i.e. for anyone (except Pog because even with the Giro in his legs he should be his usual self in this Tour).

Anyone who says right here & right now "this is how the race will end" is simply fantasizing. It would be the same if Rog had done well today & people had jumped to conclusions about that afterwards. It cuts both ways.
Again, this is what a forum is for. We watch the races, we comment, we analyze etc. Ofc we don't know what's gonna happen, but Roglic looking like this while Jonas was better than expected has lowered his chances of winning overall. And then of course there's the lost time on top of that which isn't a big deal, but still obviously mean something.