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[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

The whole reason i wrote a wall of text was to indicate it's not simplistic. If you do want a shorter version instead then let me just say there was a much bigger chance in Rogla finishing season 2024 without any meaningful results. As such is the nature of the transfers as seen here. Luckily it panned out and it seems both Rogla and the team are now on an upward trajectory. So fingers crossed Rogla will beat Pogi, Jonas and Remco in each race they face each other in 2025 season. That sounds much better then (too) early retirement.

 

[Oldermanish]

@Oldermanish

Rogla is not even eligible to break most of the historical records out there, related to the age. So whenever somebody starts with "due to the age ..." one has to be cautious in taking all that seriously on what follows.

P.S. Used to be BS like Rogla wheel sucks ... And that didn't age well.

I wasn't totally clear; I wasn't talking about Roglic's age but about this "age" of current cycling talent. It's not that easy to cakewalk through a GT unless prime contenders are injured like last season.
He's a racer and it'd be cool if he targets what he wants to win for the enjoyment of it. That could include anything, realistically.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

@CyclistAbi You seem to be the only unbiased expert on this forum. I want to know how things are now in world cycling. Is Rogla still the best in the world?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Krzysztof_O

He is still there yes.

 

[CyclistAbi]

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There you have it, 2nd Grand Tour, although the aim is to finish higher in the 2025 season.

 

[Breh]

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Roglič o prvi plači in prelomnici v svoji kolesarski karieri: 300 evrov in Giro 2016 #video

Primož Roglič se te dni mudi v Sloveniji, kjer ima na svojem urniku tudi številne medijske obveznosti. Med drugim je gostoval v spletni epizodi Zasliševalnice pri nekdanjem gorskem kolesarju Kristjanu Vrečku, kjer je odgovarjal na vprašanja glede svojih kolesarskih začetkov, želji, da bi že kot...

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So Rogličes first pro cycling salary was 300e and he was prepared to do it for free, he valued the given opportunity more. Red Bull helmet was an object of desire since his ski jumping days, on where Andreas Goldberger got to wear one.
First impression he can do something in pro cycling was a prologue at Giro 2016 on where the realisation hit, i can time trial.

Tour 2020 didn't left sour taste as this was a maximum and Rogla stands behind that result. Rogla expresses gratitude towards his family for unconditional support in chasing his dreams. For young people his advice is be dedicated toward your goals, the results, if they come or not, the important thing is to be able to have fun and to smile. Not everybody needs to become a professional athlete.

My god, I remember posting on some random .be forum, saying this Roglic ITT victory was more suspicious than the Foliforov MTT victory.

 

[Oldermanish]

Giro should be exciting now. Roglic against Almeida/Ayuso and probably Remco there. Of course this excitement will go off the Window if Vingegaard starts the Giro

I'm still waiting to see what Jonas can reliably accomplish. Visma's rush to the last Tour didn't help a slightly built phenom's ability to be resilient IMO. We can all hope for the recovery that is his best form going forward. The early season will be telling on that count.

 

[CyclistAbi]

My god, I remember posting on some random .be forum, saying this Roglic ITT victory was more suspicious than the Foliforov MTT victory.

Likely a couple of days after, i assume, stage 9? On where Rogla won. Great memories, like it was yesterday.

 

[CyclistAbi]

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Considering his age this is on how Rogla likely feels in pro peloton, like he is in a kindergarten.

 

[Gargamel35]

How many kids falling sideways off the starting ramp were cut from the footage?

None, but they had to cut out two tries from Rogla.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Such a rhetorical question, only one kid had some problems on that ramp, nothing a smile couldn't fix.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogliča odkrito mika Giro s slovenskim pridihom, toda ... (VIDEO)

Se bo Primož Roglič v prihodnji sezoni vrnil na Giro, ki ga je na dramatičen način osvojil lani? Bo prvič poskusil tudi z dvojčkom Giro-Tour?

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So no racing in January (Australia), Giro-Tour double could be an attractive option, especially if visiting Slovenia, overall a lot of challenges left ahead and looking forward to that, still first the routes should be revealed and only after the decision with the team to be made by around the end of January. On a side note, and due to all the age talks, Tour route to be revealed on Rogličes 35th birthday!

 

[Rackham]

Happy Birthday Rog!

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[Luthor]

The route isn't that good for him ngl with the exception of ITTs being at the start. Too few unipuerto and too many heavy mountain stages like Loze, Superbagneres or Plagne. Lots of climbs are also very long, Visma & UAE will make the race very hard, it's gonna be another w/kg contest. He probably goes Giro imo.

 

[Luthor]

Since he's a huge underdog on any route I think it's sooner decided based on "do I think I can do a good Giro-Tour double on these routes" rather than "can I beat Pogacar and Vingegaard on these routes"

I think Giro decision might be depending on the competition.

Evenepoel probably goes but I don't think Vinge will be there. Just because Giro-Tour was done by Pog doesn't mean everyone will be able to pull it off. The route is too good for Vinge to risk going for Giro imo.
Niermann said about Vinge

The Giro? It is indeed an option. But the Tour-Vuelta combination is also an option, or just the Tour de France. We still have to decide that. The only thing I can say now is that we are happy with the Tour route. It is really something for Jonas”,

Remco&Rog : Giro + Tour
Vinge&Pog : Tour + Vuelta

Both Remco & Rog know their chances are slim for Tour anyway but at the same time they can't just skip Tour because of the sponsorship esp Roglic.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I haven’t studied the route and I know Roglic is unlikely to win on any route, but what’s the consensus? How does the route look for him given his strengths and weaknesses?

 

[Shortcut]

I haven’t studied the route and I know Roglic is unlikely to win on any route, but what’s the consensus? How does the route look for him given his strengths and weaknesses?

I think this route is good for him. Not to hard, no to easy, both TTs are good for him, cause there is not much changing paces. Also stages are not too long for him. Like you said, he is unlikely to win against those two monsters but Remco is still beatable. I would even say he is not so far from Jonas but Tadej is killing him with his "jumping". I just wish one year is going right for him (without crashes) before TdF because we never see him in perfect shape there, he even had bad crash at Dauphine 2020 but everybody just remember him being second that year on TdF.

 

[Luthor]

I think this route is good for him. Not to hard, no to easy, both TTs are good for him, cause there is not much changing paces. Also stages are not too long for him. Like you said, he is unlikely to win against those two monsters but Remco is still beatable. I would even say he is not so far from Jonas but Tadej is killing him with his "jumping". I just wish one year is going right for him (without crashes) before TdF because we never see him in perfect shape there, he even had bad crash at Dauphine 2020 but everybody just remember him being second that year on TdF.

Caen TT is pure flat which is a disadvantage for him. The other one is pure w/kg, not bad but not gaining any time either. The route is definitely too hard for him, he struggled recently on multi-mountain stages like Bondone or Granada which we have plenty here in Loze, Superbagneres, Plagne. The only unipuerto stage like Ancares which is his best performance this year is Ventoux but even there the climb is too long. The route is tailor-made for Vingegaard with all the stages where he beat Pog in the latest years.

Remco is maybe beatable which is far from a given but does a 3rd place really matter to him? I would argue winning Suisse will be a bigger feat.

 

[Luthor]

10 days of flat hilly nervous *** at least he can quit early and prepare for Vuelta better.

Realistically, Hautacam, Peyragudes and Ventoux are good stages for Roglic, the rest is pretty bad for him. Him losing to Pog and Vingegaard isn't route dependent anyway. I much prefer him to go to the Giro regardless of route.

I just hope he can just stay on his bike this season. I think Giro is also the best option for him but those sterrato stages worry me

 

[CyclistAbi]

Time to sharpen the knife and go into a gun fight.

 

[Shortcut]

I just hope he can just stay on his bike this season. I think Giro is also the best option for him but those sterrato stages worry me

I don't see why he would go to Giro. It doesn't add much to his palmares and it still chance he doesn't win or even worse-he crashes. Also he can't do Giro-Suiise-TdF and he said Suisse is his big goal next year. Everybody just avoiding Tadej-Jonas duo would be really worrying, especcialy if 3rd (or4th) best GT rider on the world is not on the race.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Interestingly and in my opinion the Tour route did everything to attract riders such as van der Poel, then to try to push Remco in yellow early on and after to give as much chances as possible, for Jonas to beat Pogi. I see a couple of gems in it for Rogla too, likely unintetnionally. Anyway, Pogi likely still to finish second, to Rogla. It's important to keep Remco at bay, considering he is knocking on Red Bull door and it's important to finish ahead of Jonas, to beat his former team. So that leaves Pogi and it's perfectly OK if he finishes second, behind Rogla, no special reason involved, beyond overall being reserved for Rogla at the 2025 edition. And besides preparing good and fighting again injuries, at Tour and for Rogla injuries are much greater oponents, that is much more important then putting much emphasise on any other given rider.

Now lets see if we are doing Giro too.

 

[Luthor]

I don't see why he would go to Giro. It doesn't add much to his palmares and it still chance he doesn't win or even worse-he crashes. Also he can't do Giro-Suiise-TdF and he said Suisse is his big goal next year. Everybody just avoiding Tadej-Jonas duo would be really worrying, especcialy if 3rd (or4th) best GT rider on the world is not on the race.

Giro is still the 2nd best prize of the year with the best trophy and probably his last real chance for a GT given his age and probably Vuelta will have Pog/Ving. Anyone will take a Giro before a 2nd/3rd at Tour. Not to mention it goes to Slovenia this year. Suisse is great but honestly this feat of having all one-week races would probably be done by Pog/Ving/Remco as well.

 

[cen]

No matter the initial plans, he is going to do Vuelta one way or the other, either through crashes, a new plague or some other ungodly punishment.

 

[acm]

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