Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Leinster]

Outside of sprinters there can’t be many who can match that in the last 30 years

Ganna has 4 now, after 1 GT, which speaking of sprinters is Cavendish/Kittel numbers frankly, and it's difficult to see him not adding to that.

 

[JosefK]

If Rog is feeling good, might he have a shot at winning the Vuelta's TT stage (13)? I would have said no after he lost time on the rain-jacket stage, but his performance on stage 8 has me re-evaluating.

 

[Leinster]

If Rog is feeling good, might he have a shot at winning the Vuelta's TT stage (13)? I would have said no after he lost time on the rain-jacket stage, but his performance on stage 8 has me re-evaluating.

With Dumoulin gone home, and most of the TT specialists having done the Giro, I'm not sure who can really challenge him for it. Unless Froome winds back the clock and finds some magic in his legs.

 

[Red Rick]

I think maybe Cavagna has an outside shot?

 

[Leinster]

I think maybe Cavagna has an outside shot?

He's literally the only other name I can see on the startlist who I'd consider a threat. Even with his form problems, I'd have Froome in with Cavagna and Roglic as the most likely top 3.

 

[yaco]

The steep last 2kms may take out Cavagna - There will be one or two riders who have been hiding in the peleton.

 

[Red Rick]

He's literally the only other name I can see on the startlist who I'd consider a threat. Even with his form problems, I'd have Froome in with Cavagna and Roglic as the most likely top 3.

In his current form Froome shouldn't be top 30 in that ITT.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

He's literally the only other name I can see on the startlist who I'd consider a threat. Even with his form problems, I'd have Froome in with Cavagna and Roglic as the most likely top 3.

I'd like to be wrong on this, but I see no way Froome is in the top 3. If he is, that is a huge sign that he can ride his way back into at least top 10 contention next year

 

[richwallone]

I think maybe Cavagna has an outside shot?

I think so too... It’s between these two in the ITT. I think Roglic will take it, and the red jersey, because of that steep finishing kick... It’s only 1.8km but man it goes up and up... Cavagna did fairly well in the Tour uphill ITT, IIRC...

If it averaged 6-8% I can see a pure ITT rider power over it, but this is too steep... Then again, it’s short enough not too lose too much time that they gained in the flatter parts... It’s going to be interesting ITT....

https://www.cyclingcols.com/col/Ezaro

 

[Blanco]

I think Valverde, Froome and Nibali have 17, 14 and 15, I fancy Roglic to get like 20 stages or more in GTs.

He needs to keep this level for another 5 years then, at least...

 

[Oldermanish]

He's literally the only other name I can see on the startlist who I'd consider a threat. Even with his form problems, I'd have Froome in with Cavagna and Roglic as the most likely top 3.

Isn't the point to put time into Carapaz, Martin, Carthy and Mas? Unless someone below them in GC wins by 10 minutes that's the player list.

 

[SafeBet]

The steep last 2kms may take out Cavagna - There will be one or two riders who have been hiding in the peleton.

Cavagna was very close to Roglic in the PDBF TT.
It sure wasn't Roglic best day on the bike, but I don't think 2km uphill are too much for Cavagna.

 

[Leinster]

Isn't the point to put time into Carapaz, Martin, Carthy and Mas? Unless someone below them in GC wins by 10 minutes that's the player list.

Well, yeah, the point is to ride his best possible TT in order to put the maximum time into those guys. And if Roglic rides his best TT, I don't see anyone else in this Vuelta field beating him for the stage win.

 

[Leinster]

Cavagna was very close to Roglic in the PDBF TT.
It sure wasn't Roglic best day on the bike, but I don't think 2km uphill are too much for Cavagna.

Just looked at that, and yeah. Cavagna was faster at each time check, 20s up at the bottom of PdBF, and only 3s slower at the finish. And there's less of a hill at the end here.

I actually still don't think Roglic rode a bad TT that day. He lost 25s to vanAert, and 35 to Dumoulin. If you'd asked anyone beforehand, they would tell you that was a) about where you'd expect him to be in relation to those 2, and b) enough to hold onto his lead over Pogacar. The young lad just put in a stratospheric ride, and Roglic started to lose form near the finish as the time reports started coming through.

 

[johnymax]

I think Cavagna should be considered the favourite for the ITT. He is getting better every year, in this Vuelta he is everyday in a breakaway which is an indication of good form and he almost beat Roglič in the Tour ITT with PdBF in it. I have him as a slight favourite for the ITT on stage 13.

 

[Red Rick]

Cavagna was very close to Roglic in the PDBF TT.
It sure wasn't Roglic best day on the bike, but I don't think 2km uphill are too much for Cavagna.

Roglic blew up spectacularly and still beat Cavagna. Normally he should gain at least half a minute in that 2km climb. If Roglic manages his effort well he's the best in the world on that climb.

It's also after a rest day, which IMO favors the GC riders normally.

 

[Luthor]

Question guys. Any place where I can find ITT results including intermediate times of past ITTs?

What ITT are you interested? Tissot timing might be your best shot.

Tour de France - 20 - Lure > La Planche des Belles Filles | Tissot Timing

Tissot Timing

www.tissottiming.com

Cavagna had 19 seconds ahead of Rog on the flat(second intermediate). After the first part of the climb Cavagna had only 1 second ahead, then he loses at the finish 3 seconds behind. They are definitely close but Cavagna has a better chance imo. I'm not even sure what Rog is gonna do regarding the bike, is he gonna change it?

 

[Red Rick]

What ITT are you interested? Tissot timing might be your best shot.

Tour de France - 20 - Lure > La Planche des Belles Filles | Tissot Timing

Tissot Timing

www.tissottiming.com

Cavagna had 19 seconds ahead of Rog on the flat(second intermediate). After the first part of the climb Cavagna had only 1 second ahead, then he loses at the finish 3 seconds behind. They are definitely close but Cavagna has a better chance imo. I'm not even sure what Rog is gonna do regarding the bike, is he gonna change it?

I looked at Tissot but I can't find TTs from before this year

 

[Leinster]

Roglic blew up spectacularly and still beat Cavagna. Normally he should gain at least half a minute in that 2km climb. If Roglic manages his effort well he's the best in the world on that climb.

It's also after a rest day, which IMO favors the GC riders normally.

Cavagna seems to prefer going in breaks as training for TTs. He had 125kms in the break, almost all of it solo, on stage 19!

 

[richwallone]

I looked at Tissot but I can't find TTs from before this year

I’m sure PCS is going to have it... You just gotta dig in and look for it:

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Find results of cyclings top riders like Tadej Pogacar, Remco Evenepoel and Mathieu van der Poel. Detailed statistics about the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia and classics like Paris-Roubaix or Tour of Flanders.

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[Luthor]

I looked at Tissot but I can't find TTs from before this year

https://www.tissottiming.com/Sport/CRD/2019 for 2019.
Last year Cavagna was 3rd in Vuelta but he improved this year https://www.tissottiming.com/2019/vue/en/default/Stage/10/Live

 

[Leinster]

I'm not even sure what Rog is gonna do regarding the bike, is he gonna change it?

It's only 1.8km? I mean, sure it's at 14%, so it's brutally steep, but would the bike change take more time than it would gain?


I hate bike changes in TTs. I want someone to design a TT course that is so technical, that the winner ends up just doing it on a road bike.

 

[hayneplane]

Ganna has 4 now, after 1 GT, which speaking of sprinters is Cavendish/Kittel numbers frankly, and it's difficult to see him not adding to that.

No he doesn’t. All he has is Giro stage wins. The criteria being discussed was at least 3 stage wins in each of the 3 grand tours.

 

[Red Rick]

I’m sure PCS is going to have it... You just gotta dig in and look for it:

Cycling statistics, results and rankings | ProCyclingStats.com

Find results of cyclings top riders like Tadej Pogacar, Remco Evenepoel and Mathieu van der Poel. Detailed statistics about the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia and classics like Paris-Roubaix or Tour of Flanders.

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It doesn't give time splits in the live stage bits

 

[Red Rick]

Tisso literally not having the 2019 GIro which I wanted to look at