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[CyclistAbi]

@James M

Not even a bisht?

 

[James M]

@James M

Not even a bisht?

Without knowing, I think thats only worn at special events? and this was just a meet-and-greet on a regular Tuesday. However, even if he's the god of cycling or not Georgio wouldnt approve of this. Got much to learn.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You can't challenge Visma and UAE unless you have someone who is close to Vingegaard and Pogacar.
Both teams have strong enough squads to nullify the numbers game and by the first mountain stage most of RBH will be minutes behind already.

Doesn't matter who they send they both go with 1 undisputed leader. If RBH can do that with someone as strong as Pogi or Vingo then they have a chance, unless both of those are true then not so much.

So in the gist of it yours and a couple of other people reasoning is RBH can't win the Tour and because of that they shouldn't bring their AAA team to the Tour?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Without knowing, I think thats only worn at special events? and this was just a meet-and-greet on a regular Tuesday. However, even if he's the god of cycling or not Georgio wouldnt approve of this. Got much to learn.

Yeah, as a rule of thumb don't wear bibs under a thawb, wear a bisht over it.

 

[AmRacer]

So in the gist of it yours and a couple of other people reasoning is RBH can't win the Tour and because of that they shouldn't bring their AAA team to the Tour?

They will bring their best team possible to the Tour, and it's not the same rider you want it to be.

 

[CyclistAbi]

They will bring their best team possible to the Tour, and it's not the same rider you want it to be.

Best team possible for flats, for UAE to not drop them there? Guys, please follow the discussion and foremost listen to yourself. Anyway, will wait for some other people responding as with you it's mostly one liners, some of the others actually went ahead and explained their reasoning. I respect that much more so i will focus on that for now.

 

[AmRacer]

Best team possible for flats, for UAE to not drop them there? Guys, please follow the discussion and foremost listen to yourself. Anyway, will wait for some other people responding as with you it's mostly one liners, some of the others actually went ahead and explained their reasoning. I respect that much more so i will focus on that for now.

Best team for the Tour. Pogi and Jonas will drop those who's left when UAE and VLAB doms are done with their job.

 

[YavorD]

So in the gist of it yours and a couple of other people reasoning is RBH can't win the Tour and because of that they shouldn't bring their AAA team to the Tour?

But your idea about AAA team isn't an AAA team, but a mix of good climbers.
Can wait for Hindley having to fight Van Aert for position...or Pellizzari chasing Armirail, Wellens and Campenaerts in the cross wind.

Also, no they can't. Unless Vingegaard and Pogacar drop their level and/or Evenepoel/Lipo improve a lot.

 

[YavorD]

Best team for the Tour. Pogi and Jonas will drop those who's left when UAE and VLAB doms are done with their job.

Considering that even Lipowitz couldn't stay with Kuss/Narvaez, there won't be anyone to drop bar potentially Remco.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Best team for the Tour. Pogi and Jonas will drop those who's left when UAE and VLAB doms are done with their job.

But your idea about AAA team isn't an AAA team, but a mix of good climbers.
Can wait for Hindley having to fight Van Aert for position...or Pellizzari chasing Armirail, Wellens and Campenaerts in the cross wind.

Also, no they can't. Unless Vingegaard and Pogacar drop their level and/or Evenepoel/Lipo improve a lot.

Considering that even Lipowitz couldn't stay with Kuss/Narvaez, there won't be anyone to drop bar potentially Remco.

You guys reading this you must admit there is some inconsistency in it and a bit of far fetching too. That is if we exclude the usual claim on how they can't win and focus on the rest.

So basically this again says UAE and Visma doms will drop the gist of RBH before Pogi and Jonas even start. So why does it even matter then, to fight for positions? On top of that so much focus on potential crosswinds, as that is ever going to win you a Tour? Kuss dropping Lipo and taking the podium spot?

Guys.

 

[YavorD]

You guys reading this you must admit there is some inconsistency in it and a bit of far fetching too. That is if we exclude the usual claim on how they can't win and focus on the rest.

So basically this again says UAE and Visma doms will drop the gist of RBH before Pogi and Jonas even start. So why does it even matter then, to fight for positions? On top of that so much focus on potential crosswinds, as that is ever going to win you a Tour? Kuss dropping Lipo and taking the podium spot?

Guys.

Kuss isn't taking the podium spot. Kuss dropping Lipo comes to show that Visna domestique can drop the best (or second best) RBH rider. I have zero doubt that Almeida can drop him as well.
So sending 147263 climbers won't help you win the Tour.
It will just make your team weaker overall.


And fighting for position matters a lot. Nobody likes to start a crucial climb on 48th position.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Kuss isn't taking the podium spot. Kuss dropping Lipo comes to show that Visna domestique can drop the best (or second best) RBH rider. I have zero doubt that Almeida can drop him as well.
So sending 147263 climbers won't help you win the Tour.
It will just make your team weaker overall.

OK so Lipo is the best or second best rider at RBH and both Kuss and Almeida can drop him, after all other RBH riders already being dropped. Fine. Then indeed the best winning strategy is to strengthen RBH on the flats.

Did it ever occur to you that it might be the exact opposite? RBH riders being there in support of their leaders consistently getting dropped early due to them being a relatively bad climbers? UAE and Visma not having to do much with that?

And fighting for position matters a lot. Nobody likes to start a crucial climb on 48th position.

A combo of mentioned riders, the ones you wouldn't send, can win such battle on a shorter and steep climb any day. On where such positioning even matters. I don't know what more one would want than that, it's the perfect lead-out train for such terrain.

 

[YavorD]

Did it ever occur to you that it might be the exact opposite? RBH riders being there in support of their leaders consistently getting dropped early due to them being a relatively bad climbers?

But non of RBH riders can bring Lipo back to Pogacar or Vingegaard, so again what's the benefit of 113256 climbers?

 

[AmRacer]

You guys reading this you must admit there is some inconsistency in it and a bit of far fetching too. That is if we exclude the usual claim on how they can't win and focus on the rest.

So basically this again says UAE and Visma doms will drop the gist of RBH before Pogi and Jonas even start. So why does it even matter then, to fight for positions? On top of that so much focus on potential crosswinds, as that is ever going to win you a Tour? Kuss dropping Lipo and taking the podium spot?

Guys.

Yes, that's why we replies to your assumptions.

 

[CyclistAbi]

But non of RBH riders can bring Lipo back to Pogacar or Vingegaard, so again what's the benefit of 113256 climbers?

So you don't see any benefit of having a plethora of support climbers around you once Pogi and/or Jonas go? If by any chance you have that luxury you can't use that for gaining any tactical advantage?

 

[YavorD]

So you don't see any benefit of having a plethora of support climbers around you once Pogi and/or Jonas go? If by any chance you have that luxury you can't use that for gaining any tactical advantage?

But the point us, you won't have a plethora of climbers in support, because all of them will be behind.
Besides, except for Tourmalet, the route is generally MTF oriented. Meaning that even if your theory is true, and you have plethora of climbers, they won't be of any advantage to you because they can't keep Pog/Vingo's wats.


Also, sticking to your theory about AAA team having a lot of climbers and 0 flat support, your "supportive climbers" will start the crucial climbs very far in the peloton, eating out their strength and reducing or eliminating their influence.