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[SHAD0W93]

Plus who exactly at RBH is riding for Rogla on the ultimate climbs? Compared to UAE and Visma this is different universe.

This isn’t the same Roglic you yearn for.

 

[CyclistAbi]

This isn’t the same Roglic you yearn for.

I see, you don't have a name. Well, we should hopefully be able to improve that in the future. You can't really expect much wins in stage racing if the team doesn't support it. And yeas a rider with a team support and the one without, that are normally two different riders. As for yearning, no, it's not that much about yearning, it's what makes sense and what doesn't. RBH should have a rider on the ultimate climb supporting Rogla. If nobody from current constellation isn't fit for that then one should be acquired from the market.

 

[YavorD]

I see, you don't have a name. Well, we should hopefully be able to improve that in the future. You can't really expect much wins in stage racing if the team doesn't support it. And yeas a rider with a team support and the one without, that are normally two different riders. As for yearning, no, it's not that much about yearning, it's what makes sense and what doesn't. RBH should have a rider on the ultimate climb supporting Rogla. If nobody from current constellation isn't fit for that then one should be acquired from the market.

And you can expect the team to support it if Roglic is strong enough to fight for the win.
Since the team doesn't support it, you can safely conclude that he isn't strong enough to fight for the wins. Well at least at the moment.

 

[CyclistAbi]

And you can expect the team to support it if Roglic is strong enough to fight for the win.
Since the team doesn't support it, you can safely conclude that he isn't strong enough to fight for the wins. Well at least at the moment.

That is not it. Telling a sprinter you will support him, at the intermediate sprint, that is on how you don't win sprint stages. Anyway. We'll see on what happens at Itzulia as i am rather optimistic the team will be able to support Rogla over there. Otherwise they have a problem that likely won't be solved easily if at all.

 

[YavorD]

That is not it. Telling a sprinter you will support him, at the intermediate sprint, that is on how you don't win sprint stages. Anyway. We'll see on what happens at Itzulia as i am rather optimistic the team will be able to support Rogla over there. Otherwise they have a problem that likely won't be solved easily if at all.

The problem isn't the support though.
If Roglic is strong enough, he should stay with Del Toro/Seixas/Ayuso(?). If he can't stay with them it really isn't up to the support.

But yeah, have it your way. If Roglic doesn't have the legs, blame it on the support.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@YavorD

I mean to blame. The fact is RBH isn't sending the strongest team to Itzulia, compared to some other teams. Finn might be able to pull for a while and beyond that only if somebody is in great form, bunch of inexperienced youngsters. So what you wrote is necessity and not choice. For Rogla to play a game that some other team is setting and not the one RBH has laid out.

On the plus side at least Rogla can put the hammer down this time around. We'll see.

 

[AmRacer]

@YavorD

I mean to blame. The fact is RBH isn't sending the strongest team to Itzulia, compared to some other teams. Finn might be able to pull for a while and beyond that only if somebody is in great form, bunch of inexperienced youngsters. So what you wrote is necessity and not choice. For Rogla to play a game that some other team is setting and not the one RBH has laid out.

On the plus side at least Rogla can put the hammer down this time around. We'll see.

It will be too much riding both Catalunya and Itzulia

 

[CyclistAbi]

It will be too much riding both Catalunya and Itzulia

Roglič isn't riding Catalunya.

 

[AmRacer]

Roglič isn't riding Catalunya.

Support riders are

 

[CyclistAbi]

Support riders are

RBH has more then enough riders but for Rogla support riders indeed are limited, non existent. In terms of the ultimate climbs. So if Rogla stays at RBH this is something that needs to get addressed over the winter. Dedicated support rider for ultimate climbs, more on the experienced side of the career.

As for Itzulia 2026, at least Rogla has some leeway to play as he wants, that is something too. Lets see on how it goes.

 

[AmRacer]

RBH has more then enough riders but for Rogla support riders indeed are limited, non existent. In terms of the ultimate climbs. So if Rogla stays at RBH this is something that needs to get addressed over the winter. Dedicated support rider for ultimate climbs, more on the experienced side of the career.

As for Itzulia 2026, at least Rogla has some leeway to play as he wants, that is something too. Lets see on how it goes.

But, Rogla has the best support team then

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

If you want an analogy, currently Rogla has the level of support comparable to your questions and answers. IMHO there is still some room left for improvements. We'll see.

 

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

If you want an analogy, currently Rogla has the level of support comparable to your questions and answers. IMHO there is still some room left for improvements. We'll see.

So all set for Itzulia success then

 

[SHAD0W93]

I see, you don't have a name. Well, we should hopefully be able to improve that in the future. You can't really expect much wins in stage racing if the team doesn't support it. And yeas a rider with a team support and the one without, that are normally two different riders. As for yearning, no, it's not that much about yearning, it's what makes sense and what doesn't. RBH should have a rider on the ultimate climb supporting Rogla. If nobody from current constellation isn't fit for that then one should be acquired from the market.

I’m not a pro so it doesn’t matter to improve or not. Roglic has been supported on multiple occasions since arriving at RB, allowing him to win more. What you want is all of RB’s other leaders to ride in support of Rogic even though he hasn’t warranted that with his form. This again isn’t the same Roglic of old.

 

[Unchained]

I’m not a pro so it doesn’t matter to improve or not. Roglic has been supported on multiple occasions since arriving at RB, allowing him to win more. What you want is all of RB’s other leaders to ride in support of Rogic even though he hasn’t warranted that with his form. This again isn’t the same Roglic of old.

We all should consider what Primoz wants and what is best for the team. Majority of conversations surround the premise that Roglic is either the leader or he can't make meaningful contributions to the team objectives. The Roglic of old is silly, sentimental history, you have a good bike racer with tons of fantastic attributes and team is looking at him as a race horse instead of a plough horse that can work effectively for something other than going faster than everyone else. Bad build up in my opinion to portray Roglic as logical leader in Giro or Vuelta, he doesn't need that job or the pressure.. Roglic in support of Pellizzari or Remco, even Lipowitz is a good strategy in my opinion. No reason to keep saying what he can't do, switch to what he can do..

 

[SHAD0W93]

We all should consider what Primoz wants and what is best for the team. Majority of conversations surround the premise that Roglic is either the leader or he can't make meaningful contributions to the team objectives. The Roglic of old is silly, sentimental history, you have a good bike racer with tons of fantastic attributes and team is looking at him as a race horse instead of a plough horse that can work effectively for something other than going faster than everyone else. Bad build up in my opinion to portray Roglic as logical leader in Giro or Vuelta, he doesn't need that job or the pressure.. Roglic in support of Pellizzari or Remco, even Lipowitz is a good strategy in my opinion. No reason to keep saying what he can't do, switch to what he can do..

Absolutely, if he wants to support the others that is fine. But the notion that he is not being supported by the team or is the same rider he was isn’t accurate.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@SHAD0W93

If you can't provide a name, one rider, dedicated to supporting Rogla on the ultimate climbs, then i don't know on how you get from there to claiming others are making inaccurate claims, when saying Rogla isn't supported in some meaningful way, on the terrain that matters the most in terms of securing an overall win.

P.S. Can you name one for Pogi, Jonas ... Of course you can.

 

[AmRacer]

@SHAD0W93

If you can't provide a name, one rider, dedicated to supporting Rogla on the ultimate climbs, then i don't know on how you get from there to claiming others are making inaccurate claims, when saying Rogla isn't supported in some meaningful way, on the terrain that matters the most in terms of securing an overall win.

P.S. Can you name one for Pogi, Jonas ... Of course you can.

But yesterday, you said all was good,

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

What i said is the level of your questions and answers is somewhat on the same level as the support Rogla is currently getting at RBH on ultimate climbs, basically there still being some room left for improvement.

What is your excuse. Are you old too?

 

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

What i said is the level of your questions and answers is somewhat on the same level as the support Rogla is currently getting at RBH on ultimate climbs, basically there still being some room left for improvement.

What is your excuse. Are you old too?

So it's not set for Itzulia success? Which RBH riders do you want to support Rogla?

 

[SHAD0W93]

@SHAD0W93

If you can't provide a name, one rider, dedicated to supporting Rogla on the ultimate climbs, then i don't know on how you get from there to claiming others are making inaccurate claims, when saying Rogla isn't supported in some meaningful way, on the terrain that matters the most in terms of securing an overall win.

P.S. Can you name one for Pogi, Jonas ... Of course you can.

Vlasov, Hindley, D. Martinez, and Lipo have all ridden in support. The team is never good enough for you. Whether it be Visma or Bora.

 

[Unchained]

Absolutely, if he wants to support the others that is fine. But the notion that he is not being supported by the team or is the same rider he was isn’t accurate.

The guy is toying with retirement, he hasn't shown productivity of his prime years for a long time, the only people pushing the narrative that he is trying to live halcyon days is the internet. Bora is going to waste his abilities and knowledge for no reason.